[softy54534]

I was watching Dr.Phil as he did an interview with the Founder of This Website

It is known as "TheDirty.com", a website that seeks to expose the dirty laundry of public people. Dr.Phil, being a girl, argued that the website was wrong, and that if someone killed themselves he would be held liable legally. He disagreed, saying that the mean things written are not his words, but words of other users. He makes the comparison that anyone could go on Dr.Phil's own message board and post absolutely anything, yet he would not be held responsible.


Tyler Clementi, a homosexual student from Rutgers University who jumped off The George Washington Bridge, shortly after posting a suicide note, blaming roommates who posted recorded videos of his homosexual encounters, from a web cam hidden in his room.

What struck me is that no one was making the case, that if you kill yourself it shouldn't be considered anyone's fault but your own! This takes us back to the case of the college student who committed suicide. The charges are not related to his death, but to the illegal taping and distribution of the content without his permission, which is a 4th degree Felony, so no joke. They considering pressing hate crimes but so far have decided against it, so the death itself is out of the equation. This is the way I think our legal system should be.

Another interesting case is the Myspace Mother case, where Lori Drew was charged with 3 counts of computer fraud for hacking Myspace.


Megan Meier (Left) a Missouri teenager who was driven to suicide by Lori Drew (Right)

"MySpace’s user agreement requires registrants, among other things, to provide factual information about themselves and to refrain from soliciting personal information from minors or using information obtained from MySpace services to harass or harm other people. By allegedly violating that click-to-agree contract, Drew committed the same crime as any hacker."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/02/ny...02suicide.html

That to me seems like quite a leap. While it is illegal to break a contract, it does not normally constitute fraud.

She was also charged with Conspiracy in the girl's suicide, which the jury was deadlocked on. That is an interesting choice, Conspiracy is most well known when it was used in the Nuremberg trails, because individuals could not be pinned to murders. They could however, be said to have worked with others to commit those murders. Although I'm glad that there are enough sane people out there to deadlock that one, it seems like it should have been an obvious no. The fact that the lawyer even considered it is setting a scary precedent.

Basically, what they are alleging is that the mother helped the girl to commit suicide, which brings us to Dr. Kevorkian. Of course, he went so far in the assisting they could call it murder. They also charged him with criminal assistance to a suicide and delivery of a controlled substance, which is often used on drug dealers who's clients overdosed.


Jack Kevorkian, known for championing a terminal patient's right to die. Kevorkian served 8 years for 2nd-degree murder, released on parole, on condition that he would not offer suicide advice to any other person.

There is one main reason that you should not be able to be charged in someone else's suicide, is that it creates an incentive for people to commit suicide. There are over 120 million people who suffer from depression out there, and the last thing they need is a good reason to commit suicide. If you allow them to ruin someone over their suicide, they will provide the note.

The thing that surprised me the most, was the the Jury was actually hung on the legality of conspiracy to commit suicide. Think about that, that means that some number of people really do believe if you say something mean to someone, and they kill themselves (and note you), then you are legally responsible for their death. If this is going to be legally accepted as valid, people will be killing themselves left and right to get back at the people they feel ruined their lives.

On a side note, I took the poll he had up "Should Websites like Thedirty.com be shut down?" I voted no, making me one of the 16%, 84% thinks the Government should step in and shut them down. Dr. Phil's viewers are generally Conservatives Mothers.

http://drphil.com/polls/poll/314/

[colmedindustry]

AM I MY BROTHERS KEEPER?

[kranskregyan]

dont take what i say to you so litteraly Mark. its all constructive critisism.

[nvmrfgopyy]

IF THEY GIVE YOU ANY SHIT, KILL 'EM AND FUCK THEIR HORSES!!

[Loonerisav]

I was watching Dr.Phil as he did an interview with the Founder of This Website

It is known as "TheDirty.com", a website that seeks to expose the dirty laundry of public people. Dr.Phil, being a girl, argued that the website was wrong, and that if someone killed themselves he would be held liable legally. He disagreed, saying that the mean things written are not his words, but words of other users. He makes the comparison that anyone could go on Dr.Phil's own message board and post absolutely anything, yet he would not be held responsible.


Tyler Clementi, a homosexual student from Rutgers University who jumped off The George Washington Bridge, shortly after posting a suicide note, blaming roommates who posted recorded videos of his homosexual encounters, from a web cam hidden in his room.

What struck me is that no one was making the case, that if you kill yourself it shouldn't be considered anyone's fault but your own! This takes us back to the case of the college student who committed suicide. The charges are not related to his death, but to the illegal taping and distribution of the content without his permission, which is a 4th degree Felony, so no joke. They considering pressing hate crimes but so far have decided against it, so the death itself is out of the equation. This is the way I think our legal system should be.

Another interesting case is the Myspace Mother case, where Lori Drew was charged with 3 counts of computer fraud for hacking Myspace.


Megan Meier (Left) a Missouri teenager who was driven to suicide by Lori Drew (Right)

"MySpace’s user agreement requires registrants, among other things, to provide factual information about themselves and to refrain from soliciting personal information from minors or using information obtained from MySpace services to harass or harm other people. By allegedly violating that click-to-agree contract, Drew committed the same crime as any hacker."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/02/ny...02suicide.html

That to me seems like quite a leap. While it is illegal to break a contract, it does not normally constitute fraud.

She was also charged with Conspiracy in the girl's suicide, which the jury was deadlocked on. That is an interesting choice, Conspiracy is most well known when it was used in the Nuremberg trails, because individuals could not be pinned to murders. They could however, be said to have worked with others to commit those murders. Although I'm glad that there are enough sane people out there to deadlock that one, it seems like it should have been an obvious no. The fact that the lawyer even considered it is setting a scary precedent.

Basically, what they are alleging is that the mother helped the girl to commit suicide, which brings us to Dr. Kevorkian. Of course, he went so far in the assisting they could call it murder. They also charged him with criminal assistance to a suicide and delivery of a controlled substance, which is often used on drug dealers who's clients overdosed.


Jack Kevorkian, known for championing a terminal patient's right to die. Kevorkian served 8 years for 2nd-degree murder, released on parole, on condition that he would not offer suicide advice to any other person.

There is one main reason that you should not be able to be charged in someone else's suicide, is that it creates an incentive for people to commit suicide. There are over 120 million people who suffer from depression out there, and the last thing they need is a good reason to commit suicide. If you allow them to ruin someone over their suicide, they will provide the note.

The thing that surprised me the most, was the the Jury was actually hung on the legality of conspiracy to commit suicide. Think about that, that means that some number of people really do believe if you say something mean to someone, and they kill themselves (and note you), then you are legally responsible for their death. If this is going to be legally accepted as valid, people will be killing themselves left and right to get back at the people they feel ruined their lives.

On a side note, I took the poll he had up "Should Websites like Thedirty.com be shut down?" I voted no, making me one of the 16%, 84% thinks the Government should step in and shut them down. Dr. Phil's viewers are generally Conservatives Mothers.

http://drphil.com/polls/poll/314/

Was Tyler one of your butt-buddies?

[NADALA]

Fine. But I also think it should be legal to beat Lori Drew with a pipe for doind what she did.

[hoconnor6605]

Fine. But I also think it should be legal to beat Lori Drew with a pipe for doind what she did.

You can, but then you have to do the time.

That is pretty pathetic, huh?

[CorpoRasion]

A SONG FOR MARK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qSz7D_7Los

[oraltyrap]

You can, but then you have to do the time.

That is pretty pathetic, huh?

Yes. And pathetic for a grown woman to harass a child.
She should be treated like a leper in her community and run out of town.

[effenseshoora]

Somebody who commits suicide has some serious deep-seated emotional problems. Some silly asshole making fun of them or giving them shit probably doesn't help the situation, but it's not even close to the only reason why a person would commit suicide. Isn't it enough to know that whoever was giving the person shit now has to live with the fact that the person is dead? On what grounds are they culpable? They didn't pull the trigger, they didn't murder the person. This shit is getting ridiculous.

[IodinkBoilk]

Somebody who commits suicide has some serious deep-seated emotional problems. Some silly asshole making fun of them or giving them shit probably doesn't help the situation, but it's not even close to the only reason why a person would commit suicide. Isn't it enough to know that whoever was giving the person shit now has to live with the fact that the person is dead? On what grounds are they culpable? They didn't pull the trigger, they didn't murder the person. This shit is getting ridiculous.

I agree with this point too. How can one prove that someone else's actions were directly responsible.

[asypecresty]

I was watching Dr.Phil as he did an interview with the Founder of This Website

It is known as "TheDirty.com", a website that seeks to expose the dirty laundry of public people. Dr.Phil, being a girl, argued that the website was wrong, and that if someone killed themselves he would be held liable legally. He disagreed, saying that the mean things written are not his words, but words of other users. He makes the comparison that anyone could go on Dr.Phil's own message board and post absolutely anything, yet he would not be held responsible.


Tyler Clementi, a homosexual student from Rutgers University who jumped off The George Washington Bridge, shortly after posting a suicide note, blaming roommates who posted recorded videos of his homosexual encounters, from a web cam hidden in his room.

What struck me is that no one was making the case, that if you kill yourself it shouldn't be considered anyone's fault but your own! This takes us back to the case of the college student who committed suicide. The charges are not related to his death, but to the illegal taping and distribution of the content without his permission, which is a 4th degree Felony, so no joke. They considering pressing hate crimes but so far have decided against it, so the death itself is out of the equation. This is the way I think our legal system should be.

Another interesting case is the Myspace Mother case, where Lori Drew was charged with 3 counts of computer fraud for hacking Myspace.


Megan Meier (Left) a Missouri teenager who was driven to suicide by Lori Drew (Right)

"MySpace’s user agreement requires registrants, among other things, to provide factual information about themselves and to refrain from soliciting personal information from minors or using information obtained from MySpace services to harass or harm other people. By allegedly violating that click-to-agree contract, Drew committed the same crime as any hacker."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/02/ny...02suicide.html

That to me seems like quite a leap. While it is illegal to break a contract, it does not normally constitute fraud.

She was also charged with Conspiracy in the girl's suicide, which the jury was deadlocked on. That is an interesting choice, Conspiracy is most well known when it was used in the Nuremberg trails, because individuals could not be pinned to murders. They could however, be said to have worked with others to commit those murders. Although I'm glad that there are enough sane people out there to deadlock that one, it seems like it should have been an obvious no. The fact that the lawyer even considered it is setting a scary precedent.

Basically, what they are alleging is that the mother helped the girl to commit suicide, which brings us to Dr. Kevorkian. Of course, he went so far in the assisting they could call it murder. They also charged him with criminal assistance to a suicide and delivery of a controlled substance, which is often used on drug dealers who's clients overdosed.


Jack Kevorkian, known for championing a terminal patient's right to die. Kevorkian served 8 years for 2nd-degree murder, released on parole, on condition that he would not offer suicide advice to any other person.

There is one main reason that you should not be able to be charged in someone else's suicide, is that it creates an incentive for people to commit suicide. There are over 120 million people who suffer from depression out there, and the last thing they need is a good reason to commit suicide. If you allow them to ruin someone over their suicide, they will provide the note.

The thing that surprised me the most, was the the Jury was actually hung on the legality of conspiracy to commit suicide. Think about that, that means that some number of people really do believe if you say something mean to someone, and they kill themselves (and note you), then you are legally responsible for their death. If this is going to be legally accepted as valid, people will be killing themselves left and right to get back at the people they feel ruined their lives.

On a side note, I took the poll he had up "Should Websites like Thedirty.com be shut down?" I voted no, making me one of the 16%, 84% thinks the Government should step in and shut them down. Dr. Phil's viewers are generally Conservatives Mothers.

http://drphil.com/polls/poll/314/

No, you're NOT liable.

People need to learn how to deal with their problems... No one makes anyone off themselves, thats an individual choice.

[gSjQEEmq]

No, you're NOT liable.

People need to learn how to deal with their problems... No one makes anyone off themselves, thats an individual choice.

I think you shouldn't be liable, which I believe is what you are saying, but it appears that legally it is a fine line.

[isopsmypovA]

I think you shouldn't be liable, which I believe is what you are saying, but it appears that legally it is a fine line.

No, legally its not...

Unless you put a gun in a crackpots hands and egg him/her on until they pull the trigger - its not a crime. Nor should it be.

Even then its manslaughter or facilitation of a felony [depending on the method].

[Xutrsavf]

I'll say this much - in the case of that little girl who was harassed by the mother of one of her alleged friends, I think that bitch should go to prison for a few years.

Too bad our judicial system isn't set up that way.

[Erunsenef]

I'll say this much - in the case of that little girl who was harassed by the mother of one of her alleged friends, I think that bitch should go to prison for a few years.

Too bad our judicial system isn't set up that way.

Hmmm, you know what, I think you're right, because Drew was acquitted, and as much as everyone would have wanted to throw her in prison, they couldn't.

[wasssallx]

Hmmm, you know what, I think you're right, because Drew was acquitted, and as much as everyone would have wanted to throw her in prison, they couldn't.

You cant throw people in prison for being pricks...

If it was possible I would be serving a life sentence via libturds that hate me...

She'll get hers though, society hates her and that will make its mark on her life.

[GrottereewNus]

You cant throw people in prison for being pricks...

If it was possible I would be serving a life sentence via libturds that hate me...

She'll get hers though, society hates her and that will make its mark on her life.

What goes around, comes around. She will get what she deserves eventually, I relate her to dog fighters. She is too cowardly to take on some real woman in her life, so she takes it out on a little kid.

People that fight dogs are the lowest of the low in self confidence.

[wentscat]

This is why America is going to lose the third world war. Cause as a whole, the culture is just so fucking retarded!

I mean really, we have legal abortion in this country, we're leaning toward euthanisia, but if someone decides on their own accord to kill themselves, and someone just happened to say something mean to them prior. We're liable for driving them to suicide. How fucking stupid is that? I seriously would say this and make the judge, the dead guy's attorney, and the jury feel like complete idiots for wasting everybody's time, and pray their idiot kids kill themselves too. Because we all need to die if this is the kind of ethnical standard we have to look forward too!!!

I wish my words alone could drive all sorts to suicide. If I truly believed that, it would be a power I didn't weild lightly. Do I want some seemingly random kid to kill themself? No... if I thought it worked that way, I'd psychologically attack the assholes who banned me from their forums, or faggots. Faggots only kill themselves because they failed to get the attention they so desperately seek sucking cock, so this is their last ditch effort to be the center of the universe!!!

And really, why do we insist on being stupid about everything? If you're really that broken up about suicide and mean stuff on the internet, maybe you should start with something a little more obvious. Like relationships. I think if people were to kill themselves over anything. It'd be the humiliating and agonizing fact their girlfriend is a slut, or their boyfriend was just using them for the hot vag. So maybe cheating whores should be heald accountible first and foremost before you go hunting down trolls and grouchy old man neighbors who called your kid a faggot...

But oh, we won't do that. Because we worship evil in this country, and hunting down people who actually did something scum bag would be far too close to doing good. We have to make sure to sastisfy people's thirst for justice without ever ever accomplishing anything just!!! I actually believe that is the case, because noone could possibly be this horrific unintentionally. There's limitations to ignorance. It's just math. Probability suggests you can't fuck up this bad, this often, and it not be on purpose. Even if it's own a subconscience level, people are reacting in an evil manner and pushing for more evil, all the time!!!

And no, I don't believe in "what goes around comes around". Like Christianity, the concept of karma and man made laws are just other ways to protect evil from the justified thrashing they deserve. Make them believe magic people will get their vengance for them, and evil is permitted, and done more often without rancor. It's the perfect set up! If what goes around comes around were actually true, my ex would be fucking dead. Not just for what she does to me, but for what she does to everyone. She abuses her family. Punches her sister in the chest, verbally assaults her mother, she is a horrible person, and nothing is going to happen to her because you're all just as evil and fucking love it. You love being abused, lied to, and enslaved.

[AlabamaBoyz]

HE WASTED HIMSELF BECAUSE HE COULD NOT STAND THE MONSTER THAT HE HAD BECOME.

REMEMBER ,THAT SUICIDE IS THE ULTIMATE IN SELF HATRED!!!!!!!

HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT COOL!!!!