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Old 06-19-2007, 09:15 AM   #32
Ifroham4

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And what does this have to do with what you have quoted of me, Rohit?

Anyway, the Hindu concept of Creation also comes with an Universe with a beginning and end.
Thank you for your expected reply, dear anbu_kathir.

As you have responded, if both the premises of an Advaitic Soul and also of a Creator God are held to together as true, then the implications are extremely serious as derived below.

Hopefully, this will also provide the answer(s) to your question(s).

The implications of holding the combined belief in an Advaitic Soul as well as in a Creator God are:

1. Neither an Advaitic Soul nor a Creator God exists; which directly implies that the Adviata doctrine is a false doctrine.

2. A Creator God has created an Advaitic Soul. This would be absurd from the Advaita standpoint, but unfortunately that is what the belief implies.

3. A Creator God created the universe and then created individual souls, the union of which could be believed as constituting an Advaitic Soul, which again would be absurd from the Advaita standpoint, but that is also what the belief implies.


The above two situations (2 & 3) might falsely seem reconcilable with the other dualistic beliefs of Hinduism, but it is going to be an insurmountable task to reconcile with the Judo-Christian and Islamic theory of Creation.

4. There is neither an Advaitic Soul nor a Creator God, but the universe and individual souls coexist.

Now, in Jainism, there is neither a Creator God nor an Advaitic Soul, but it clearly asserts that souls get contaminated when they come into contact with the material world and only by purification of the soul one can attain liberation from the cycle of births and rebirths - reincarnations.

Ironically, similar approach is echoed not only in your posts, but also in the posts of all those who talk about Advaita.

That is why most Spiritual Masters don't stress on a direct reading of the vedanta or any such treatise without first purifying the mind.

Chitta shuddi (a pure mind) is of prime importance.

Chitta shuddhi is all that is to be strived for.
If I may use your own analogy, if there was only pure air and nothing else, it could not contaminate itself. There must be some other external agents like dust particles etc. which are not air itself but entirely different from air that contaminate the air.

Similarly, if there was only one pure Soul and nothing else, there can be nothing else that could contaminate the Soul.

The need for purification of the Advaitic Soul can only arise when there are external contaminating agents or factors that are absolutely beyond the control of the Advaitic Soul and succeed in contaminating the Advaitic Soul.

If there was only pure air and nothing else, it could not partition itself. That is why you used building-walls as partitioning agents, but the walls are not air; they are entirely different from air.

Similarly, if there was only one Soul, it could not partition itself into individual souls and in any spiritual hierarchy unless there were external agents or factors that are not the Soul itself but entirely different from it, which are beyond the control of the Soul and those external agents or factors succeed in dividing the Advaitic Soul into individual souls and arrange them in a spiritual hierarchy, exactly as you stated.

Thus, no matter how one approaches, Advaita doctrine miserably fails on every account and invariably ends-up resembling Janism when examined under the theory of soul(s), reincarnations and the approach to liberation.

I hope you and other interested readers would not fail to grasp what is explained above.

Thank you!

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