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**jeraveike** · 07-13-2012, 08:12 PM

Hrm? Substance dualism is important. The spirit is not the body, and neither is the body the spirit. You are right that the spirtual world does affect the body as does the inverse, but we have to be careful not to say that they are exactly the same.

Imran - God's kingdom is not going to be brought about by Christians here on Earth, but rather by Christ himself upon his return. Our purpose is to spread the Gospel and the truth of Christ, not to bring about the universal kingdom.

The Body and Spirit of a person are seperate, but they CANNOT exist without the other. People who think that the spirit will leave the body and the spirit will live with God somewhere else haven't read 1 Corinthians 15.

Christ will come again to make things right and reconcile the world to himself, but we are responsible for helping to "put out the red carpet" as it were. The line in Thessalonians about us meeting Christ in the air as he comes down isn't (as you know) about the rapture, but as a welcoming party. Christ will complete all things, but we are called to help and do His work here so that He is more welcome when he does arrive again.

It was the exact same pope that issued the bulls you referred to. You claimed, (entirely falsely), that the Bulls you cited advanced slavery, while (as usual), ignoring the crucial evidence.

So you are saying he was double talking? After all, regardless of what the Pope indicated in Sublimus Dei, his words are clearly in favor of slavery in Dum Diversas and Romanus Pontifex as quoted by gribbler above. I realize that the monarchy of Spain and Portugal had a lot of power and money and that could have swayed the Bishop of Rome, but his words are clear - or was he against slavery before he was for it?

The only backpedeling I can see is yours. For you cannot bear to call out anything the Catholic Church has done in its long history.

07-13-2012, 08:12 PM	#36
jeraveike Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	Hrm? Substance dualism is important. The spirit is not the body, and neither is the body the spirit. You are right that the spirtual world does affect the body as does the inverse, but we have to be careful not to say that they are exactly the same. Imran - God's kingdom is not going to be brought about by Christians here on Earth, but rather by Christ himself upon his return. Our purpose is to spread the Gospel and the truth of Christ, not to bring about the universal kingdom. The Body and Spirit of a person are seperate, but they CANNOT exist without the other. People who think that the spirit will leave the body and the spirit will live with God somewhere else haven't read 1 Corinthians 15. Christ will come again to make things right and reconcile the world to himself, but we are responsible for helping to "put out the red carpet" as it were. The line in Thessalonians about us meeting Christ in the air as he comes down isn't (as you know) about the rapture, but as a welcoming party. Christ will complete all things, but we are called to help and do His work here so that He is more welcome when he does arrive again. It was the exact same pope that issued the bulls you referred to. You claimed, (entirely falsely), that the Bulls you cited advanced slavery, while (as usual), ignoring the crucial evidence. So you are saying he was double talking? After all, regardless of what the Pope indicated in Sublimus Dei, his words are clearly in favor of slavery in Dum Diversas and Romanus Pontifex as quoted by gribbler above. I realize that the monarchy of Spain and Portugal had a lot of power and money and that could have swayed the Bishop of Rome, but his words are clear - or was he against slavery before he was for it? The only backpedeling I can see is yours. For you cannot bear to call out anything the Catholic Church has done in its long history.
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