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**Raj_Copi_Jin** · 07-29-2009, 02:41 AM

I would say it is becoming somewhat irrelevant who 'backs' Israel in the long run. And while we all rant and rave and scream about the utter vile hypocrisy that is the UN, who are they? What do they really accomplish? Would an Indian-Chinese-Israeli defense and economic partnership, in addition to Italy, Singapore, Colombia, Brazil sit idly by as Israel, a major partner in their high tech, space, weapons industries as well as a major trading partner was ground into the dirt? I don't think so. In fact I would like to see more and foreign (non Western) students enroll in the advanced university programs in Israel in medicine, materials science, agriculture, engineering and high tech fields.

BTW, right now, today, the talented foreigners are fleeing the US in one of the biggest brain drains in the US ever. The economy is broken, the political climate for foreigners is poisoned and there aren't any jobs for them. It would be wonderful if some of them came to Israel.

I used the UN as an example to demonstrate the fact that both the Chinese and Indians have long supported Palestinian statehood. And Palestinian statehood does not equal Israel being ground into dust.

Ah..... and the brain drain from Israel is also tremendous. Israel is very much dependent on USA and all those Singapores, Indias and Brazils can very much do without Israel. So they would buy from someone else...

Just as we should not overestimate Israel's power we should not underestimate it. The focus on the Israeli-Palestinian issue has drawn attention away from an analysis of Israeli power in the traditional sense. I briefly browsed a book on exactly this issue today which attempted to draw comparisons between Israel and the "Asian tigers."

Israel is certainly a regional power. Its military strength in the Middle East is unparalleled, its defence industries are among the most advanced in the world and it is one of only 9 states on Earth to possess nuclear weapons. Despite sever shortcoming, it does have a world-class Western-style education system and an advanced economy. Israel's main shortcoming is that it lacks any soft power or influence both in the region and around the world

Israel certainly does have a lot to offer both India and China, particularly in improving their military capabilities. They have the money, and we have the technology. But as I said, this is purely theoretical. At this stage no country has comparable power to the US - we're stuck with them for at least 20 years. Not that I'm against this, I prefer the Americans as allies as opposed to, say, the Chinese, since I actually do believe in democracy and what America represents.

07-29-2009, 02:41 AM	#13
Raj_Copi_Jin Join Date Oct 2005 Age 48 Posts 4,533 Senior Member	I would say it is becoming somewhat irrelevant who 'backs' Israel in the long run. And while we all rant and rave and scream about the utter vile hypocrisy that is the UN, who are they? What do they really accomplish? Would an Indian-Chinese-Israeli defense and economic partnership, in addition to Italy, Singapore, Colombia, Brazil sit idly by as Israel, a major partner in their high tech, space, weapons industries as well as a major trading partner was ground into the dirt? I don't think so. In fact I would like to see more and foreign (non Western) students enroll in the advanced university programs in Israel in medicine, materials science, agriculture, engineering and high tech fields. BTW, right now, today, the talented foreigners are fleeing the US in one of the biggest brain drains in the US ever. The economy is broken, the political climate for foreigners is poisoned and there aren't any jobs for them. It would be wonderful if some of them came to Israel. I used the UN as an example to demonstrate the fact that both the Chinese and Indians have long supported Palestinian statehood. And Palestinian statehood does not equal Israel being ground into dust. Ah..... and the brain drain from Israel is also tremendous. Israel is very much dependent on USA and all those Singapores, Indias and Brazils can very much do without Israel. So they would buy from someone else... Just as we should not overestimate Israel's power we should not underestimate it. The focus on the Israeli-Palestinian issue has drawn attention away from an analysis of Israeli power in the traditional sense. I briefly browsed a book on exactly this issue today which attempted to draw comparisons between Israel and the "Asian tigers." Israel is certainly a regional power. Its military strength in the Middle East is unparalleled, its defence industries are among the most advanced in the world and it is one of only 9 states on Earth to possess nuclear weapons. Despite sever shortcoming, it does have a world-class Western-style education system and an advanced economy. Israel's main shortcoming is that it lacks any soft power or influence both in the region and around the world Israel certainly does have a lot to offer both India and China, particularly in improving their military capabilities. They have the money, and we have the technology. But as I said, this is purely theoretical. At this stage no country has comparable power to the US - we're stuck with them for at least 20 years. Not that I'm against this, I prefer the Americans as allies as opposed to, say, the Chinese, since I actually do believe in democracy and what America represents.
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