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**TorryJens** · 03-11-2006, 07:00 AM

Funny, when I was moving to America's most Liberal State, California, my first experience was to be stopped at a checkpoint and have the contents of my entire moving truck searched for foreign fruits, plants, and animals (nice names for Illegal Aliens) and this was before 9/11. I'm 30 and I still get carded for alcohol. I would think that when using public transport such as planes, subways, and now buses, sometimes you give up your privacy (or ID) for the benefit of society. I don't like it, but thats the way it is.

I was stopped at the California border in 1970 long before illegals was an issue. It's always been an agriculture issue. Same thing as entering the US or Canada.

You were carded for an active motive. You were attempting to purchase something be it alcohol tobacco or firearms. Is an id check because you walk past the liquor store a reasonable act?

Riding a bus is not an active motive. The rider has no control over the bus route and it was done because the bus line happens to go through Federal property where the government can supercede your civil rights at will. Would you like to submit to a urine sample as well?

The government has to demonstrate that a lack of privacy actually is a public safety issue. That's more or less implied in Supreme court cases such as Griswold.

03-11-2006, 07:00 AM	#2
TorryJens Join Date Nov 2008 Posts 4,494 Senior Member	Funny, when I was moving to America's most Liberal State, California, my first experience was to be stopped at a checkpoint and have the contents of my entire moving truck searched for foreign fruits, plants, and animals (nice names for Illegal Aliens) and this was before 9/11. I'm 30 and I still get carded for alcohol. I would think that when using public transport such as planes, subways, and now buses, sometimes you give up your privacy (or ID) for the benefit of society. I don't like it, but thats the way it is. I was stopped at the California border in 1970 long before illegals was an issue. It's always been an agriculture issue. Same thing as entering the US or Canada. You were carded for an active motive. You were attempting to purchase something be it alcohol tobacco or firearms. Is an id check because you walk past the liquor store a reasonable act? Riding a bus is not an active motive. The rider has no control over the bus route and it was done because the bus line happens to go through Federal property where the government can supercede your civil rights at will. Would you like to submit to a urine sample as well? The government has to demonstrate that a lack of privacy actually is a public safety issue. That's more or less implied in Supreme court cases such as Griswold.
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