[Beerinkol]

So where is the cross over point? All we ever hear is a vague justification because we're 'at war'. Of course it's an undefined undeclared war against an unknown enemy in an unknown location for unknown period of time and no way to ascertain whether we've won, lost, retreated or just quit. It's essentially a licence to declare permanent war and an openended curtailment of many civil liberties for an open ended period of time.