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**brorwargy** · 06-02-2010, 07:07 AM

The point I was trying to make is that it was unnecessary to get rid of all things with having to do with spirituality because of the Church's abuse of spiritual ideas.

Beyond what Sobeh has said so well, this is a straw man, on a couple of levels. We are not talking about the dismissal of "all things having to do with spirituality" (whatever that is supposed to mean, though I suspect you mean superstition and myth, but along with "all" things "spiritual", which could include meditation and other things that are not being challenged), we are talking about dismissal of superstition and myth.

Investigating the Buddha's liberative teachings is certainly "spiritual" in a non-myth-based sort of way, and the fact of "the Church's abuses" is certainly a valid reason to reject "the Church" and investigate the Buddha's liberative teachings. It is one of a multitude of good reasons to reject "the Church" and investigate the Buddha's liberative teachings.

06-02-2010, 07:07 AM	#24
brorwargy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	The point I was trying to make is that it was unnecessary to get rid of all things with having to do with spirituality because of the Church's abuse of spiritual ideas. Beyond what Sobeh has said so well, this is a straw man, on a couple of levels. We are not talking about the dismissal of "all things having to do with spirituality" (whatever that is supposed to mean, though I suspect you mean superstition and myth, but along with "all" things "spiritual", which could include meditation and other things that are not being challenged), we are talking about dismissal of superstition and myth. Investigating the Buddha's liberative teachings is certainly "spiritual" in a non-myth-based sort of way, and the fact of "the Church's abuses" is certainly a valid reason to reject "the Church" and investigate the Buddha's liberative teachings. It is one of a multitude of good reasons to reject "the Church" and investigate the Buddha's liberative teachings.
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