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**pumpineemob** · 06-16-2010, 08:35 AM

If fact, the Buddha taught karma is volition (intention) and the first two sections state feeling is not caused by kamma & then supposedly the Buddha in the 3rd sectiomn tells Ananda feelings are caused by intention (kamma).

Let us examine the Bhumija Sutta closely. It states:

"Friend Sariputta, there are some priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are self-made. There are other priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are other-made. Then there are other priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are self-made & other-made. And then there are still other priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are neither self-made nor other-made, but arise spontaneously.

In this case, friend Sariputta, what is the Blessed One's doctrine? What does he teach?

The Blessed One, my friend, has said that pleasure & pain are dependently co-arisen. Dependent on what? Dependent on contact.

"Excellent, Ananda. Excellent. One rightly answering would answer as Ven. Sariputta has done. I have said, Ananda, that pleasure & pain are dependently co-arisen. Dependent on what? Dependent on contact. "Whatever priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are self-made, even that is dependent on contact.

Whatever priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are other-made... self-made & other-made... neither self-made nor other-made, but arise spontaneously, even that is dependent on contact.

"When there is a body, pleasure & pain arise internally with bodily intention as the cause; or when there is speech, pleasure & pain arise internally with verbal intention as the cause; or when there is intellect, pleasure & pain arise internally with intellectual intention as the cause.

"From ignorance as a requisite condition, then either of one's own accord one fabricates bodily fabrication on account of which that pleasure & pain arise internally, or because of others one fabricates bodily fabrication on account of which that pleasure & pain arise internally. Either alert one fabricates bodily fabrication on account of which that pleasure & pain arise internally, or unalert one fabricates bodily fabrication on account of which that pleasure & pain arise internally. (Similarly with verbal & intellectual fabrications.)

"Now, ignorance is bound up in these things. From the remainderless fading & cessation of that very ignorance, there no longer exists [the sense of] the body on account of which that pleasure & pain internally arise. There no longer exists the speech... the intellect on account of which that pleasure & pain internally arise. There no longer exists the field, the site, the dimension, or the issue on account of which that pleasure & pain internally arise."

06-16-2010, 08:35 AM	#14
pumpineemob Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 474 Senior Member	If fact, the Buddha taught karma is volition (intention) and the first two sections state feeling is not caused by kamma & then supposedly the Buddha in the 3rd sectiomn tells Ananda feelings are caused by intention (kamma). Let us examine the Bhumija Sutta closely. It states: "Friend Sariputta, there are some priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are self-made. There are other priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are other-made. Then there are other priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are self-made & other-made. And then there are still other priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are neither self-made nor other-made, but arise spontaneously. In this case, friend Sariputta, what is the Blessed One's doctrine? What does he teach? The Blessed One, my friend, has said that pleasure & pain are dependently co-arisen. Dependent on what? Dependent on contact. "Excellent, Ananda. Excellent. One rightly answering would answer as Ven. Sariputta has done. I have said, Ananda, that pleasure & pain are dependently co-arisen. Dependent on what? Dependent on contact. "Whatever priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are self-made, even that is dependent on contact. Whatever priests & contemplatives, teachers of kamma, who declare that pleasure & pain are other-made... self-made & other-made... neither self-made nor other-made, but arise spontaneously, even that is dependent on contact. "When there is a body, pleasure & pain arise internally with bodily intention as the cause; or when there is speech, pleasure & pain arise internally with verbal intention as the cause; or when there is intellect, pleasure & pain arise internally with intellectual intention as the cause. "From ignorance as a requisite condition, then either of one's own accord one fabricates bodily fabrication on account of which that pleasure & pain arise internally, or because of others one fabricates bodily fabrication on account of which that pleasure & pain arise internally. Either alert one fabricates bodily fabrication on account of which that pleasure & pain arise internally, or unalert one fabricates bodily fabrication on account of which that pleasure & pain arise internally. (Similarly with verbal & intellectual fabrications.) "Now, ignorance is bound up in these things. From the remainderless fading & cessation of that very ignorance, there no longer exists [the sense of] the body on account of which that pleasure & pain internally arise. There no longer exists the speech... the intellect on account of which that pleasure & pain internally arise. There no longer exists the field, the site, the dimension, or the issue on account of which that pleasure & pain internally arise."
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