[WaydayNef]

clw_uk #6:
Once the hindrances are abandoned then the Jhanic states arises naturally

Thanks clw. To what extent do you think the hindrances need to be first abandoned before Jhana may be pursued with any chance of success?

completely abandoned since they weaken awareness/concentration

Once abandoned the mind is no longer "clouded" and the jhana is the natural state that follows. In my opinion the biggest problem is mediators wanting to attain jhanas.

This is becasuse, based on my reading of suttas, teachings from Ajahns and experience, means they will never experience them** as the jhanas come through letting go not through gaining things or removing them but by abandoning them


To abandon you dont grap or avert but be fully mindful in the present moment and notice/observe, let it pass naturally




** Of course jhanas can happen by "accident". For example the buddha entering into a jhanic state when he was a child. This story is also noteworthy since it seems to say that the Buddha wasnt wanting jhanas, he just relaxed into full awareness and let the hindrances go, leading to jhana


metta