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**hujdrftgkas** · 06-12-2010, 02:35 PM

completely abandoned since they weaken awareness/concentration

Hi clw,
When you say completely abandoned, do you mean they never return or that the meditator is able to at least let them go for the duration of the meditation?

I've come across the idea which states one needs to be free of all taints before one can access Jhana. My objection has always been, if that were so, we wouldn't need Jhana or Buddhist practice any more. By definition, the path has to be for those who are still developing.

Once abandoned the mind is no longer "clouded" and the jhana is the natural state that follows. In my opinion the biggest problem is mediators wanting to attain jhanas. Absolutely spot on there.

Namaste

06-12-2010, 02:35 PM	#22
hujdrftgkas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 525 Senior Member	completely abandoned since they weaken awareness/concentration Hi clw, When you say completely abandoned, do you mean they never return or that the meditator is able to at least let them go for the duration of the meditation? I've come across the idea which states one needs to be free of all taints before one can access Jhana. My objection has always been, if that were so, we wouldn't need Jhana or Buddhist practice any more. By definition, the path has to be for those who are still developing. Once abandoned the mind is no longer "clouded" and the jhana is the natural state that follows. In my opinion the biggest problem is mediators wanting to attain jhanas. Absolutely spot on there. Namaste
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