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**c6vkuNRg** · 06-13-2010, 01:12 AM

Hi clw,
When you say completely abandoned, do you mean they never return or that the meditator is able to at least let them go for the duration of the meditation?

I've come across the idea which states one needs to be free of all taints before one can access Jhana. My objection has always been, if that were so, we wouldn't need Jhana or Buddhist practice any more. By definition, the path has to be for those who are still developing.

They are only temporally abandoned, some say suppressed but i feel this conveys too much of the idea of averting and destroying them, which is craving for non-existence

This is why jhanas are only means to nibbana

If we were free from all taints then there would be nibbana

metta

06-13-2010, 01:12 AM	#27
c6vkuNRg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	Hi clw, When you say completely abandoned, do you mean they never return or that the meditator is able to at least let them go for the duration of the meditation? I've come across the idea which states one needs to be free of all taints before one can access Jhana. My objection has always been, if that were so, we wouldn't need Jhana or Buddhist practice any more. By definition, the path has to be for those who are still developing. They are only temporally abandoned, some say suppressed but i feel this conveys too much of the idea of averting and destroying them, which is craving for non-existence This is why jhanas are only means to nibbana If we were free from all taints then there would be nibbana metta
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