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**zithromaxlinks** · 03-15-2010, 07:37 AM

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4. Byàkaranasutta Declaring

84. Venerable Mahàmoggallàna addressed the bhikkhus:

ßHere, friends, a bhikkhu would declare: 'Birth is destroyed, the holy life is lived, what should be done is done. I know, there is nothing more to wish.' Then the Thus Gone One or a disciple of the Thus Gone One, or someone clever in attaining the higher states of the mind, and clever in knowing the minds of others, the range of movement of the mental faculties of others questions, asks for reasons and studies together with him. Then he finds himself barren, crushed to bits and in misfortune.

The Thus Gone One or a disciple of the Thus Gone One, or someone clever in attaining the higher states of the mind, and clever in knowing the minds of others, the range of movement of the mental faculties of others reads his mind as to why the venerable one declared- Birth is destroyed, the holy life is lived, what should be done is done. I know, there is nothing more to wish?.

The Thus Gone One or a disciple of the Thus Gone One or someone clever in attaining the higher states of the mind, and clever in knowing the minds of others, the range of movement of the mental faculties of others cognizing his mind knows:
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Gone One : Thai tipitaka write Tathagata.

From this sutta show that someone that know other mind have ablility to know that another one is Stream enterer or Not.

But it is the own personal ability in his/her mind, can not show to another. Then, if he/she knew that this monk was stream enterer, he/she will not declare to everyone, just someone that he/she think he/she can.

There are no offences in Theravadin to declare another, but there is major offence if declare himself but he was not be. (If he was, not a major offence.)

03-15-2010, 07:37 AM	#20
zithromaxlinks Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 560 Senior Member	From URL --------------------------------------- 4. Byàkaranasutta Declaring 84. Venerable Mahàmoggallàna addressed the bhikkhus: ßHere, friends, a bhikkhu would declare: 'Birth is destroyed, the holy life is lived, what should be done is done. I know, there is nothing more to wish.' Then the Thus Gone One or a disciple of the Thus Gone One, or someone clever in attaining the higher states of the mind, and clever in knowing the minds of others, the range of movement of the mental faculties of others questions, asks for reasons and studies together with him. Then he finds himself barren, crushed to bits and in misfortune. The Thus Gone One or a disciple of the Thus Gone One, or someone clever in attaining the higher states of the mind, and clever in knowing the minds of others, the range of movement of the mental faculties of others reads his mind as to why the venerable one declared- Birth is destroyed, the holy life is lived, what should be done is done. I know, there is nothing more to wish?. The Thus Gone One or a disciple of the Thus Gone One or someone clever in attaining the higher states of the mind, and clever in knowing the minds of others, the range of movement of the mental faculties of others cognizing his mind knows: --------------------------------------- Gone One : Thai tipitaka write Tathagata. From this sutta show that someone that know other mind have ablility to know that another one is Stream enterer or Not. But it is the own personal ability in his/her mind, can not show to another. Then, if he/she knew that this monk was stream enterer, he/she will not declare to everyone, just someone that he/she think he/she can. There are no offences in Theravadin to declare another, but there is major offence if declare himself but he was not be. (If he was, not a major offence.)
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