oh I am sorry Ben Hogan have I somehow offended you? I practice the flop all the time, of course it never works when I try it in game, but since I have had kids I dont get out nearly as much as Id like. if I can flop on a practice shot, little old me that doesnt hardly get out much I would expect that any pro with a little practice could add that shot to their repertoire. and it doesnt matter if there is water behind the pin, an old lady or Ming vase, its a hard shot regardless.