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**triarmarm** · 07-17-2012, 09:58 PM

I applaud him, he did a good job, what sorta bothered me though was if you stop the vid around the 00:35 second mark, the bad guy's right arm, holding his weapon, is extended right at grandpa, at this point grandpa could've very easily taken a round or two, my position in this scenerio would've been to take my first shot just before this posture by the BG around the 00:32-33 mark in the vid, a 3-shot initial group to the head/neck area or aim a few inches below his right armpit when his arm was up, that would increase your chances of a good heart/lung shot....oh and I don't think I'd ever carry anything under a 9mm, unless it was a .22 (much less recoil, more control, remember, Shot Placement IS Key)

Its easy enough to go back in hindsight and say what he should have done or could have done. INdeed thats exactly what we SHOULD do, to learn. But when that time comes, what happens happens and theres no going back once it does. All in all, he came out on top because he did MOST things the right way, or at least more decisivley than the other guys.

On the shot placement thing, I wouldnt count on it. If you watch his first shot (right around :33?) it appears he either did NOT make contact with the first round or bucked the shot and hit low. I think it made contact low. He even took time to get his sights on target too, a little too much time in fact (he was also carrying without one in the chamber to begin with, another time-costing thing).

If the shot placement thing was in effect, he had the absolute best possible chance for vital organ disruption having a perfect shot at the robber with his arm raised and body indexed. An oblique angle like that he could have sent rounds through the thinnest part of the torso and into the most vital organs (heart, lungs, pancreas, liver, aorta).

But, the simple fact is, the whole "shot placement" thing in the middle of the "Oh Shit" moment is a tall order. Its even more so when you ARE caught off guard or have some one who isnt a pussy and will start fighting/shooting back.

The matter is, you need to get lead on target to do as much damage as you can as quickly as you can and keep going until the threat is over. This guy, for the most part, did that and he did it well enough that he and everyone else except the robbers went home without any extra holes.

07-17-2012, 09:58 PM	#11
triarmarm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 369 Senior Member	I applaud him, he did a good job, what sorta bothered me though was if you stop the vid around the 00:35 second mark, the bad guy's right arm, holding his weapon, is extended right at grandpa, at this point grandpa could've very easily taken a round or two, my position in this scenerio would've been to take my first shot just before this posture by the BG around the 00:32-33 mark in the vid, a 3-shot initial group to the head/neck area or aim a few inches below his right armpit when his arm was up, that would increase your chances of a good heart/lung shot....oh and I don't think I'd ever carry anything under a 9mm, unless it was a .22 (much less recoil, more control, remember, Shot Placement IS Key) Its easy enough to go back in hindsight and say what he should have done or could have done. INdeed thats exactly what we SHOULD do, to learn. But when that time comes, what happens happens and theres no going back once it does. All in all, he came out on top because he did MOST things the right way, or at least more decisivley than the other guys. On the shot placement thing, I wouldnt count on it. If you watch his first shot (right around :33?) it appears he either did NOT make contact with the first round or bucked the shot and hit low. I think it made contact low. He even took time to get his sights on target too, a little too much time in fact (he was also carrying without one in the chamber to begin with, another time-costing thing). If the shot placement thing was in effect, he had the absolute best possible chance for vital organ disruption having a perfect shot at the robber with his arm raised and body indexed. An oblique angle like that he could have sent rounds through the thinnest part of the torso and into the most vital organs (heart, lungs, pancreas, liver, aorta). But, the simple fact is, the whole "shot placement" thing in the middle of the "Oh Shit" moment is a tall order. Its even more so when you ARE caught off guard or have some one who isnt a pussy and will start fighting/shooting back. The matter is, you need to get lead on target to do as much damage as you can as quickly as you can and keep going until the threat is over. This guy, for the most part, did that and he did it well enough that he and everyone else except the robbers went home without any extra holes.
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