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**thomaskkk** · 06-08-2012, 12:37 AM

LOL! I have not yet had to use either, but as I was reading your OP, I was imaging my dogs trying to break out and thinking of one of the escape artist magicians that tie them selves up with padlocked chains and/or zip tied chains, usually in water, or fire....only it was my dog....silly random thoughts, LOL!!

06-08-2012, 12:37 AM	#4
thomaskkk Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 518 Senior Member	LOL! I have not yet had to use either, but as I was reading your OP, I was imaging my dogs trying to break out and thinking of one of the escape artist magicians that tie them selves up with padlocked chains and/or zip tied chains, usually in water, or fire....only it was my dog....silly random thoughts, LOL!!
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