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**lrtoinbert** · 10-17-2011, 05:44 PM

I see your point; but you are probably going to have to have an ideological confrontation with her at some point.

Maybe play dumb; tell her you researched collars after your discussion and based on what you found *hands her a stack of printed papers* you are not comfortable switching to a potentially harmful training method; when the one you were using appears to be safer and while definitely gentler...is sufficient for your dog.

I did a quick google and here's a start:

http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/vie...of-collars.htm

Choke ChainsThis is the common name of the metal training slip collar. Choke chains are still used as the primary training tool in many "traditional (jerk & praise)" training methods - when the dog is given a yank if it does not obey a command. A study done in Germany showed that choke chains cause a great deal of neck, back, and tracheal injuries to dogs.

Prong or Pinch CollarsThese are used for the same purposes as the choke collar, to "correct" the dog by yanking on its neck if it does not comply. The prong collar is actually far safer than the choker - the study in Germany mentioned above also evaluated prong collars, and found no neck/back/trachea injuries as a result of correct use of this collar.

^^^Great post.

Before we knew better we used a choke chain. Then someone introduced the prong collar to us, and just based on the look I didn't like it. Somewhere along the line someone suggested to me putting both on my leg (one at a time) and yanking on them. Then I'd see how bad (or not) they were. By far the choke chain hurt worse, and I couldn't imagine that on the neck of a short haired dog...granted I know they're dogs, and their pain tolerance is different (I'm a bit of a sissy also)...but still. I could just see all of the damage being done having that one focal point of pressure. Whereas with the prong, first like you said-it was in a constant state of...touching my leg and then if I pulled/yanked it the pressure was applied evenly. Uncomfortable-maybe, but not painful.

10-17-2011, 05:44 PM	#20
lrtoinbert Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 380 Senior Member	I see your point; but you are probably going to have to have an ideological confrontation with her at some point. Maybe play dumb; tell her you researched collars after your discussion and based on what you found hands her a stack of printed papers you are not comfortable switching to a potentially harmful training method; when the one you were using appears to be safer and while definitely gentler...is sufficient for your dog. I did a quick google and here's a start: http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/vie...of-collars.htm Choke ChainsThis is the common name of the metal training slip collar. Choke chains are still used as the primary training tool in many "traditional (jerk & praise)" training methods - when the dog is given a yank if it does not obey a command. A study done in Germany showed that choke chains cause a great deal of neck, back, and tracheal injuries to dogs. Prong or Pinch CollarsThese are used for the same purposes as the choke collar, to "correct" the dog by yanking on its neck if it does not comply. The prong collar is actually far safer than the choker - the study in Germany mentioned above also evaluated prong collars, and found no neck/back/trachea injuries as a result of correct use of this collar. ^^^Great post. Before we knew better we used a choke chain. Then someone introduced the prong collar to us, and just based on the look I didn't like it. Somewhere along the line someone suggested to me putting both on my leg (one at a time) and yanking on them. Then I'd see how bad (or not) they were. By far the choke chain hurt worse, and I couldn't imagine that on the neck of a short haired dog...granted I know they're dogs, and their pain tolerance is different (I'm a bit of a sissy also)...but still. I could just see all of the damage being done having that one focal point of pressure. Whereas with the prong, first like you said-it was in a constant state of...touching my leg and then if I pulled/yanked it the pressure was applied evenly. Uncomfortable-maybe, but not painful.
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