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**elton** · 07-29-2012, 06:50 AM

The pros will still be destroying the courses. If the pro shoots a 65 with no relation to par and then a member goes and shoots a +16 for an 88, the pro still beat the member on the same course by 23 strokes, par or not.

Members, in my experience, have no problem losing to a pro by 23 strokes. They do hate to hear that the winning total was 23 under par for a tournament. It's an ego thing. No one wants to think their course is a pushover. Think about how difficult the PGA has been setting up the PGA Championship courses. They are getting like the USGA where par is considered a fantastic score.

I believe Alliss' point is that there shouldn't be 500+ yard par 4's and 270 yard par 3's strictly to keep the scores closer to someone's definition of "par." The idea of hitting a perfectly struck drive down the middle of the fairway only to have it run off into 4 inch rough because the course is set up to eliminate low scores. He seems to think the level of play suffers.

07-29-2012, 06:50 AM	#6
elton Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 650 Senior Member	The pros will still be destroying the courses. If the pro shoots a 65 with no relation to par and then a member goes and shoots a +16 for an 88, the pro still beat the member on the same course by 23 strokes, par or not. Members, in my experience, have no problem losing to a pro by 23 strokes. They do hate to hear that the winning total was 23 under par for a tournament. It's an ego thing. No one wants to think their course is a pushover. Think about how difficult the PGA has been setting up the PGA Championship courses. They are getting like the USGA where par is considered a fantastic score. I believe Alliss' point is that there shouldn't be 500+ yard par 4's and 270 yard par 3's strictly to keep the scores closer to someone's definition of "par." The idea of hitting a perfectly struck drive down the middle of the fairway only to have it run off into 4 inch rough because the course is set up to eliminate low scores. He seems to think the level of play suffers.
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