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**neeclindy** · 09-11-2009, 07:30 PM

On the course I played today, the 17th and 18th were both par 5's. I'm not sure how others feel about this, but I don't like ending that way - one would have been ok, but not two. They were also just straight, mostly flat boring holes. I think you should be able to finish the last hole with a flourish.

Sounds like that course does like my home course and makes a couple of longer par 4 holes into par 5 for the ladies instead of building a shorter tee box. The back 9 on my home course has 2 par 5 holes for the guys, but 4 of them for the ladies (11, 12, 16, and 18). I'm not a huge fan of that sort of corner cutting. They are in the slow process of redoing the tee boxes at the rate of a couple each year, but it takes a while, and I don't even know if they plan to shorten 12 and 18 to make them play as difficult par 4's for the women like they do now for the men.

As it is, for the guys the 18th is a great finishing hole.... a long (420+ yards), difficult par 4 with sand, water and trees all very much in play. 17 is a fairly easy par 3, and 16 is a long par 5, the longest hole on the course at 551 yards from the back tees... typically about 520-530 from the whites. The 16th is a nearly impossible par 5 for most women... even after shortening it, it's still two good shots and a layup to the 100 yard markers for most women. They can't even take the risk of trying to sneak up closer because a hazard (8' wide irrigation ditch) angles across the hole from the 150 marker to the 100 marker, with a cross bunker about 50 yards short of the green. It's a great hole for the men, but a tough one for the women.

09-11-2009, 07:30 PM	#16
neeclindy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 408 Senior Member	On the course I played today, the 17th and 18th were both par 5's. I'm not sure how others feel about this, but I don't like ending that way - one would have been ok, but not two. They were also just straight, mostly flat boring holes. I think you should be able to finish the last hole with a flourish. Sounds like that course does like my home course and makes a couple of longer par 4 holes into par 5 for the ladies instead of building a shorter tee box. The back 9 on my home course has 2 par 5 holes for the guys, but 4 of them for the ladies (11, 12, 16, and 18). I'm not a huge fan of that sort of corner cutting. They are in the slow process of redoing the tee boxes at the rate of a couple each year, but it takes a while, and I don't even know if they plan to shorten 12 and 18 to make them play as difficult par 4's for the women like they do now for the men. As it is, for the guys the 18th is a great finishing hole.... a long (420+ yards), difficult par 4 with sand, water and trees all very much in play. 17 is a fairly easy par 3, and 16 is a long par 5, the longest hole on the course at 551 yards from the back tees... typically about 520-530 from the whites. The 16th is a nearly impossible par 5 for most women... even after shortening it, it's still two good shots and a layup to the 100 yard markers for most women. They can't even take the risk of trying to sneak up closer because a hazard (8' wide irrigation ditch) angles across the hole from the 150 marker to the 100 marker, with a cross bunker about 50 yards short of the green. It's a great hole for the men, but a tough one for the women.
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