I've had guys tell me...we will give you that...I tell them no...I have missed 1 footers many times. Don't get me wrong. I ain't tootin' my horn like I'm speacial. It's just the way I feel about it. Guys in a group cheat all the time. Take mulligans, kick balls to a better lie...I don't care and don't judge them as long as they are having fun.