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**Hamucevasiop** · 09-12-2011, 01:43 AM

Ogier can have no compliants, the team gave him 100% and he did a great job too but Loeb has done a better one over the season so far. Citroen could have handled a lot of things better this season, and making Ogier hang around for 10 minutes to give Loeb 1 point was a bit OTT and flattering to Mikko too

both Loeb and Ogier have won 4 rallies this year. i do not see how one has out-performed the other. am i missing something?

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my wife and i have discussed it and think it would be ideal for Ogier and Solberg to join with VW. Loeb would suddenly see all of the bridges that he has burned:
Sordo wants to take down Loeb simply due to all of the 'team orders' for him to slow and allow Loeb to win lord knows how many times.
Mikko and Jari-Matti want to take down Loeb for the sake of beginning the restoration of the 'flying finns' being considered the fastest rally drivers on the planet.
Petter wants his title back and has proven that he can do it - if he has no mechanic failures or excessive punctures.
and now, Citroen is placing Ogier into the exact same boat as Sordo.

in short, Loeb is winning rallies, breaking records, and making a tremendous name for himself - quite a bit of it is done by stepping on the backs of his teammates.

it would be one thing if Loeb had outright won the majority of those rallies without his teammates backs to step on. but, that is clearly not the case.

i want to be clear, i do not dislike or have disdain for Loeb. there is no question in my mind that he is an incredible driver. but, to his dis-credit, he never gives credit to anyone that has helped him.

example: WRC Germany 2011 - Day 1, when asked about the choice of tires, Loeb went on to say 'we just watched the tv the night before.' when asked later, there was a quick shot of the Citroen team weather forecaster. why not just say 'our weather team did a great job.'

09-12-2011, 01:43 AM	#1
Hamucevasiop Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 575 Senior Member	Ogier can have no compliants, the team gave him 100% and he did a great job too but Loeb has done a better one over the season so far. Citroen could have handled a lot of things better this season, and making Ogier hang around for 10 minutes to give Loeb 1 point was a bit OTT and flattering to Mikko too both Loeb and Ogier have won 4 rallies this year. i do not see how one has out-performed the other. am i missing something? ---- my wife and i have discussed it and think it would be ideal for Ogier and Solberg to join with VW. Loeb would suddenly see all of the bridges that he has burned: Sordo wants to take down Loeb simply due to all of the 'team orders' for him to slow and allow Loeb to win lord knows how many times. Mikko and Jari-Matti want to take down Loeb for the sake of beginning the restoration of the 'flying finns' being considered the fastest rally drivers on the planet. Petter wants his title back and has proven that he can do it - if he has no mechanic failures or excessive punctures. and now, Citroen is placing Ogier into the exact same boat as Sordo. in short, Loeb is winning rallies, breaking records, and making a tremendous name for himself - quite a bit of it is done by stepping on the backs of his teammates. it would be one thing if Loeb had outright won the majority of those rallies without his teammates backs to step on. but, that is clearly not the case. i want to be clear, i do not dislike or have disdain for Loeb. there is no question in my mind that he is an incredible driver. but, to his dis-credit, he never gives credit to anyone that has helped him. example: WRC Germany 2011 - Day 1, when asked about the choice of tires, Loeb went on to say 'we just watched the tv the night before.' when asked later, there was a quick shot of the Citroen team weather forecaster. why not just say 'our weather team did a great job.'
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