i'll sift back through my rally archive and get back to you on it. i do not take the time to memorize each and every instance of each rally - that would clearly demonstrate that i have no life. congratulations for pointing out 1 rally where Petter had no mechanical failures or punctures that caused him the chance at a podium. Ogier does not always listen to team orders. i'm sure they [Citroen team] did have words with him about backing off to allow Loeb to take the victory. that is quite a statement to make, but we're both behind keyboards, so you can say whatever you like. good job for showing 1 clip of Loeb thanking someone else... how about the other times? again, i'll go back through my archive and give some references.