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**Jambjanatan** · 08-29-2012, 10:32 PM

It's not an accusation really. When I say US intervention I'm referring to the elite few who call the shots on whether or not to jeopardize the lives of millions for their own lust for money.

European and US elites combined have ruined the lives of millions, justifying it back home by whatever means they can.

As the conflict out there carries on, more people are becoming wise to these lies. I doubt you could find many individuals who believe that western intervention in the middle east is not based around the lucrative oil supply.

Tom's points stand regarding oil.

Invading Iraq had plenty of ulterior motives, but I don't think oil itself was the reason for it. Our currency's connection to the oil trade probably did, but that's a different issue.

As for Afghanistan, there are a number of reasons we entered. A lot of them aren't particularly good reasons, but at the same time, Afghanistan is kind of the ass end of the world.

I think we should have negotiated with the Afghani government rather than attacking them, but it's hard to feel much sympathy for such a primitive area of the world.

If it wasn't us bombing the crap out of them, they'd simply be killing or oppressing each other via the Taliban. Removing Taliban rule probably has improved the lives of many Afghanis, but again, we're dealing with very primitive tribal cultures that don't exactly operate under the same logic as the developed world. Education is pretty bad in these areas, for example, so fanatical interpretations of Islam tend to warp their logic and values.

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Jambjanatan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 376 Senior Member	It's not an accusation really. When I say US intervention I'm referring to the elite few who call the shots on whether or not to jeopardize the lives of millions for their own lust for money. European and US elites combined have ruined the lives of millions, justifying it back home by whatever means they can. As the conflict out there carries on, more people are becoming wise to these lies. I doubt you could find many individuals who believe that western intervention in the middle east is not based around the lucrative oil supply. Tom's points stand regarding oil. Invading Iraq had plenty of ulterior motives, but I don't think oil itself was the reason for it. Our currency's connection to the oil trade probably did, but that's a different issue. As for Afghanistan, there are a number of reasons we entered. A lot of them aren't particularly good reasons, but at the same time, Afghanistan is kind of the ass end of the world. I think we should have negotiated with the Afghani government rather than attacking them, but it's hard to feel much sympathy for such a primitive area of the world. If it wasn't us bombing the crap out of them, they'd simply be killing or oppressing each other via the Taliban. Removing Taliban rule probably has improved the lives of many Afghanis, but again, we're dealing with very primitive tribal cultures that don't exactly operate under the same logic as the developed world. Education is pretty bad in these areas, for example, so fanatical interpretations of Islam tend to warp their logic and values.
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