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**Reafnartefs** · 05-04-2012, 03:07 AM

I read a book by Mufti Ghulam Rasool - his book was on Imam Hassan (R) - in his book it is written that Ameer Muawiya was responsible in poisoning Imam Hassan - and at the death of Imam Hassan Ameer Muawiya was rejoiced very much - what should be our opinion then ?? Imam Hassan Was grandson of Holy Prophet (S) , Ali (R) was cousin , should we take side of family of Holy Prophet (S) or take side of a companion ? Imam Hassan is leader of youth of Paradise , so whose side should we take ? the leader of Paradise's side or take side of a companion who fought against leader of PAradise ?

his book was Imam Hassan and khilafat its in urdu plz do read that book

Argument 8: Did muawiya felt happy on death of hasan(ra) ? Or was he involved in the poisoning of Hassan(ra)?

Answer: This claim is false for several reasons:

1. It is not proven, nor there is a clear evidence that Mu’awiyah poisoned Al-Hasan.

At those days, people were in an affliction, and their desires leading their instincts, each sect attributing bad things to other sects. If a story was told about that, then we ought not to accept it unless just and trustworthy people narrated it.

2. It is said that the person who poisoned Al-Hasan was not Mu’awiyah but Al-Hasan’s wife. It is also said her father, Al-Ash’ath bin Qays ordered her to do that. It is also said that it was Mu’awiyah who ordered her and some say it was Yazeed. These contradictory stories about who poisoned Al-Hasan weaken these stories because they lack the trustworthy narrators.

3. Intellect would accept shia arguments in a situation where Al-Hasan refuses to make peace with Mu’awiyah and wanted to fight Mu’awiyah for the leadership. But the truth is that Al-Hasan made peace with Mu’awiyah, and gave him the leadership and the allegiance. Therefore, for what reason would Mu’awiyah poison Al-Hasan? For these reasons I say that shian e dajjals argument has no basis for truth.

4. The fact is that neither Imam Hasan nor Imam Hussain knew with certainty who were the real culprits. If they didn’t know it, than how anyone else came to know that who poisoned Imam Hasan?

When Sayyiduna Hasan lay on his deathbed, dying from poisoning, his brother, Sayyiduna Husayn came to him and asked him, “Brother, tell me who is the one who poisoned you.” Sayyiduna Hasan asked, “Why? That you may kill him?” Sayyiduna Husayn said, “Yes,” to which Sayyiduna Hasan responded, “I will not tell you anything. If it is the one I think it is, then Allah’s revenge is harsher. And if it is not he, then by Allah, no innocent person will be killed on account of me.” [al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah vol. 7 p. 41; Siyar A‘lam an-Nubala vol. 3 p. 273] http://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress....and-muawiyara/

Moreover, Muawiya(ra) was the one who held very good relationship with hassan(ra), check out my article.

قد روى الإمام أحمد في مسنده عن معاوية ما نصه : عن عبد الرحمن بن أبي عوف الجرشي،عن معاوية، قال: رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ” يمص لسانه – أو قال: شفته، يعني الحسن بن علي صلوات الله عليه – وإنه لن يعذب لسان أو شفتان مصهما رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم “. وقال الشيخ شعيب الأرناؤوط: إسناده صحيح.

Ahmad bin Hanbal in his Musnad: 'Abdul-Rahman bin abi 'Awf al-Jarshi that Mu'awiyah bin abi Suffian (ra) said about al-Hasan bin 'Ali (ra): I saw the Prophet SAWS suck his tongue (or he said his lips) and these lips or the tongue can never be tortured.

Grading: al-Arnaout said SAHIH.

05-04-2012, 03:07 AM	#11
Reafnartefs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 408 Senior Member	I read a book by Mufti Ghulam Rasool - his book was on Imam Hassan (R) - in his book it is written that Ameer Muawiya was responsible in poisoning Imam Hassan - and at the death of Imam Hassan Ameer Muawiya was rejoiced very much - what should be our opinion then ?? Imam Hassan Was grandson of Holy Prophet (S) , Ali (R) was cousin , should we take side of family of Holy Prophet (S) or take side of a companion ? Imam Hassan is leader of youth of Paradise , so whose side should we take ? the leader of Paradise's side or take side of a companion who fought against leader of PAradise ? his book was Imam Hassan and khilafat its in urdu plz do read that book Argument 8: Did muawiya felt happy on death of hasan(ra) ? Or was he involved in the poisoning of Hassan(ra)? Answer: This claim is false for several reasons: 1. It is not proven, nor there is a clear evidence that Mu’awiyah poisoned Al-Hasan. At those days, people were in an affliction, and their desires leading their instincts, each sect attributing bad things to other sects. If a story was told about that, then we ought not to accept it unless just and trustworthy people narrated it. 2. It is said that the person who poisoned Al-Hasan was not Mu’awiyah but Al-Hasan’s wife. It is also said her father, Al-Ash’ath bin Qays ordered her to do that. It is also said that it was Mu’awiyah who ordered her and some say it was Yazeed. These contradictory stories about who poisoned Al-Hasan weaken these stories because they lack the trustworthy narrators. 3. Intellect would accept shia arguments in a situation where Al-Hasan refuses to make peace with Mu’awiyah and wanted to fight Mu’awiyah for the leadership. But the truth is that Al-Hasan made peace with Mu’awiyah, and gave him the leadership and the allegiance. Therefore, for what reason would Mu’awiyah poison Al-Hasan? For these reasons I say that shian e dajjals argument has no basis for truth. 4. The fact is that neither Imam Hasan nor Imam Hussain knew with certainty who were the real culprits. If they didn’t know it, than how anyone else came to know that who poisoned Imam Hasan? When Sayyiduna Hasan lay on his deathbed, dying from poisoning, his brother, Sayyiduna Husayn came to him and asked him, “Brother, tell me who is the one who poisoned you.” Sayyiduna Hasan asked, “Why? That you may kill him?” Sayyiduna Husayn said, “Yes,” to which Sayyiduna Hasan responded, “I will not tell you anything. If it is the one I think it is, then Allah’s revenge is harsher. And if it is not he, then by Allah, no innocent person will be killed on account of me.” [al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah vol. 7 p. 41; Siyar A‘lam an-Nubala vol. 3 p. 273] http://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress....and-muawiyara/ Moreover, Muawiya(ra) was the one who held very good relationship with hassan(ra), check out my article. قد روى الإمام أحمد في مسنده عن معاوية ما نصه : عن عبد الرحمن بن أبي عوف الجرشي،عن معاوية، قال: رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ” يمص لسانه – أو قال: شفته، يعني الحسن بن علي صلوات الله عليه – وإنه لن يعذب لسان أو شفتان مصهما رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم “. وقال الشيخ شعيب الأرناؤوط: إسناده صحيح. Ahmad bin Hanbal in his Musnad: 'Abdul-Rahman bin abi 'Awf al-Jarshi that Mu'awiyah bin abi Suffian (ra) said about al-Hasan bin 'Ali (ra): I saw the Prophet SAWS suck his tongue (or he said his lips) and these lips or the tongue can never be tortured. Grading: al-Arnaout said SAHIH.
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