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**tropicana** · 02-07-2010, 06:28 AM

Then how can integration exist?
Surely, you must agree with me that today we live in a multicultural society in Europe and America. 52 million Muslims are living in Europe. A key factor to successful integration is to accept the culture. Now if culture is haram, and thou may not celebrate any holidays or accept anything from any culture, how can that lead to successful integration from the Muslim population?
By dismissing the culture in that country, you are also distancing yourself from the native people and creating gaps which harms the society.

As-Salam 'Aliekum,

What is it that you mean by culture? Islam doesn't frown upon culture nor does it endorse any particular one - that is why Islam was able to spread so quick and so fast around the world as a faith because it firmly entrenched itself into the hearts of people without having to destroy their culture and replacing it with something else.

As for integration this is a word that has no meaning, when we hear people taking about integration they never tell you what we Muslims need to integrate with do they? Muslim have lived in Europe for a long time we didn't arrive here yesterday! Muslims have been in Europe since the end of the War (+50 year) why didn't they ask people then to integrate? Because they didn't care, they wanted the Pakistanis, the Algerians and the Turks to rebuild Europe just as their forefathers destroyed it and now the sons of those same people are being asked to integrate - nobody told us about this when we were growing up!

The fact of the matter is that there are insular communities all around Europe, go and see the Jewish enclaves in London or the Asian ones in the North of England - nobody is asking the Jews to integrate are they (well they wouldn't having killed 6 million of them) - but Muslims have to integrate, with what I ask, with what?!

As for celebrating holidays, so what if you don't celebrate holidays there are non-Muslims who do not celebrate national holidays and remembrance days nobody says anything about that, but when we don't there is something suspicious about it right? They are asking us to be more patriotic and culturally assimilated then other people is that fair? Shouldn't they ask the Jews to integrate, the Afro-Caribbeans, the Romani Gypsies? Why is it always Muslims who need to do something, probably because there are Muslims blowing stuff up right? Well if that is the case then there is nothing you can do about the prejudice in other peoples hearts I'm afraid, no matter what you do you will never be integrated, you will always be an outsider.

Wa Salam Allah 'Aliek.

02-07-2010, 06:28 AM	#5
tropicana Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 506 Senior Member	Then how can integration exist? Surely, you must agree with me that today we live in a multicultural society in Europe and America. 52 million Muslims are living in Europe. A key factor to successful integration is to accept the culture. Now if culture is haram, and thou may not celebrate any holidays or accept anything from any culture, how can that lead to successful integration from the Muslim population? By dismissing the culture in that country, you are also distancing yourself from the native people and creating gaps which harms the society. As-Salam 'Aliekum, What is it that you mean by culture? Islam doesn't frown upon culture nor does it endorse any particular one - that is why Islam was able to spread so quick and so fast around the world as a faith because it firmly entrenched itself into the hearts of people without having to destroy their culture and replacing it with something else. As for integration this is a word that has no meaning, when we hear people taking about integration they never tell you what we Muslims need to integrate with do they? Muslim have lived in Europe for a long time we didn't arrive here yesterday! Muslims have been in Europe since the end of the War (+50 year) why didn't they ask people then to integrate? Because they didn't care, they wanted the Pakistanis, the Algerians and the Turks to rebuild Europe just as their forefathers destroyed it and now the sons of those same people are being asked to integrate - nobody told us about this when we were growing up! The fact of the matter is that there are insular communities all around Europe, go and see the Jewish enclaves in London or the Asian ones in the North of England - nobody is asking the Jews to integrate are they (well they wouldn't having killed 6 million of them) - but Muslims have to integrate, with what I ask, with what?! As for celebrating holidays, so what if you don't celebrate holidays there are non-Muslims who do not celebrate national holidays and remembrance days nobody says anything about that, but when we don't there is something suspicious about it right? They are asking us to be more patriotic and culturally assimilated then other people is that fair? Shouldn't they ask the Jews to integrate, the Afro-Caribbeans, the Romani Gypsies? Why is it always Muslims who need to do something, probably because there are Muslims blowing stuff up right? Well if that is the case then there is nothing you can do about the prejudice in other peoples hearts I'm afraid, no matter what you do you will never be integrated, you will always be an outsider. Wa Salam Allah 'Aliek.
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