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**yespkorg** · 12-27-2011, 04:33 PM

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Its news to me that reading someones "memoirs" is shariah way to put takfir upon a person. And incase someone didn't inform you, oppression of a ruler is not a basis to rebel, as per Sunni Islam. As the famous saying goes, change is done with tongue and hands, not with swords.

Like I said, what is required is the fatwa of someone who has authority to give fatwa and is reliable. Not some speculation or allegations by laymen, who have no authority to be followed by the muslim community.

And of course, you did not address the other part of my post- namely, that they tortured nearly to death and starved someone whose 'crime' was that they had a relative in the ikhwan. What on earth do you think they would do to someone who made public takfeer of Bashar al-Asad?

We are not speaking of 'oppression' as a result of rebellion; Bashar is not a Muslim! His 'asl is kufr because he is an Alawi and Alawis are Baatini apostates! If their beliefs are acceptable to Twelvers this does not mean anything because Twelvers are kuffar also, learned ones in particularly.

I said that meaning of secularism varies and to some, which is actually the original meanong of secularism, it refers to splitting affairs into "wordly" and "spiritual". The splitting does not mean that one of it has more or less importance or superceding of one over the other. It is classification of knowledge into two types. Like the division of metaphysics and physics. This is a ridiculous argument. The issue is secularism in government. Secularism in government by necessity entails ruling by other than what Allah revealed, which is kufr- particularly if its as the basis of an inwardly-held belief... such as... oh... I don't know... secularism?

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yespkorg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	@quandary Its news to me that reading someones "memoirs" is shariah way to put takfir upon a person. And incase someone didn't inform you, oppression of a ruler is not a basis to rebel, as per Sunni Islam. As the famous saying goes, change is done with tongue and hands, not with swords. Like I said, what is required is the fatwa of someone who has authority to give fatwa and is reliable. Not some speculation or allegations by laymen, who have no authority to be followed by the muslim community. And of course, you did not address the other part of my post- namely, that they tortured nearly to death and starved someone whose 'crime' was that they had a relative in the ikhwan. What on earth do you think they would do to someone who made public takfeer of Bashar al-Asad? We are not speaking of 'oppression' as a result of rebellion; Bashar is not a Muslim! His 'asl is kufr because he is an Alawi and Alawis are Baatini apostates! If their beliefs are acceptable to Twelvers this does not mean anything because Twelvers are kuffar also, learned ones in particularly. I said that meaning of secularism varies and to some, which is actually the original meanong of secularism, it refers to splitting affairs into "wordly" and "spiritual". The splitting does not mean that one of it has more or less importance or superceding of one over the other. It is classification of knowledge into two types. Like the division of metaphysics and physics. This is a ridiculous argument. The issue is secularism in government. Secularism in government by necessity entails ruling by other than what Allah revealed, which is kufr- particularly if its as the basis of an inwardly-held belief... such as... oh... I don't know... secularism?
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