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**c6vkuNRg** · 12-27-2011, 05:29 PM

We are not speaking of 'oppression' as a result of rebellion; Bashar is not a Muslim! His 'asl is kufr because he is an Alawi and Alawis are Baatini apostates! If their beliefs are acceptable to Twelvers this does not mean anything because Twelvers are kuffar also, learned ones in particularly.

Your missing the point. Its not twelvers accepting their beliefs but on the contrary the alawis diluting their own belief so they they could come in agreement with Sunnis and twelver shia and fall within the umbrella of Sunni or twelver shia

This is a ridiculous argument. The issue is secularism in government. Secularism in government by necessity entails ruling by other than what Allah revealed, which is kufr- particularly if its as the basis of an inwardly-held belief... such as... oh... I don't know... secularism? Like I said, not necessarily. An another example is that to many secularism is mere reference to religious freedom which was absent in catholic Europe. In Islam, the idea of religious freedom for non Muslim where they are even allowed to have their own laws and court is permitted. This would for many fall under what they mean by secularism.

12-27-2011, 05:29 PM	#22
c6vkuNRg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	We are not speaking of 'oppression' as a result of rebellion; Bashar is not a Muslim! His 'asl is kufr because he is an Alawi and Alawis are Baatini apostates! If their beliefs are acceptable to Twelvers this does not mean anything because Twelvers are kuffar also, learned ones in particularly. Your missing the point. Its not twelvers accepting their beliefs but on the contrary the alawis diluting their own belief so they they could come in agreement with Sunnis and twelver shia and fall within the umbrella of Sunni or twelver shia This is a ridiculous argument. The issue is secularism in government. Secularism in government by necessity entails ruling by other than what Allah revealed, which is kufr- particularly if its as the basis of an inwardly-held belief... such as... oh... I don't know... secularism? Like I said, not necessarily. An another example is that to many secularism is mere reference to religious freedom which was absent in catholic Europe. In Islam, the idea of religious freedom for non Muslim where they are even allowed to have their own laws and court is permitted. This would for many fall under what they mean by secularism.
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