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**myhackingtosh_ws** · 12-27-2011, 10:59 PM

The ironic thing about Iranian supporters like you is that you'll support the Ahl al-Bayt uprisings against tyrants, but not sunni uprisings against the tyrant syrian government. You yourself brought up 'Abdu Llah b. Zubair (and Imam al-Husayn, for that matter). If they saw it fit to rebel, why can't the Syrians?

Even more ironic is that you'll support the revolutions in Bahrain, but when it comes to Syria, you say we have to "deal with reality" and "fighting only weakens Muslims". Why don't you tell the Bahraini protestors the same thing? Whatever Saudi Arabia is guilty of towards Syria, Iran is guilty of the same towards Bahrain, if not more.

Shaykh al-Buti is basically alone in his fatawa. What about all the other sufi scholars who have spoken up?

If it's obvious why the Saudis are issuing fatawa in aid of the syrian revolution, it's just as obvious why Iran and its supporters - like you - are doing the opposite.

Where did I question the Syrians rebelling? What I have been encouraging is non-voilent rebellions to these conflicts - try to negotiate (yes, negotiate, not make demands as we always do). Why do you always have to resort to violence and killing? Do you think its better to kill ones way to power? How does that make you any different from the dictator you are trying to remove - don't you think many ordinary people (mostly muslims) are going to end-up dead as a result of crossfire etc?

Do you know anything about the revolution in Bahrain? They were actually supported by many Sunni's who protested for greater freedom for all people of Bahrain. They suffered just like others in Bahrain and Bahraini's are not even taking to violent conflict, they are almost entirely street protesters against the ruling dictator. In Syria it became armed and violent very quickly - hardly a secret that arms are coming over the border from Turkey. Bahrain has no borders, the only arms in Bahrain are those of the Bahraini, Saudi and US forces based there. Bahrain is literally cut-off from the rest of the world because its a group of small Islands with the US navy (fifth fleet) controlling the waters around it.

But again, like myself a few years ago, we are unable to look at a situation without being biased. I have no interest in Iran or Shia's for that matter - I hope one day, we can be at peace with them. There are many different groups and not all of them are hardline ithnaa ashariya. Yes, there are sane heads in there too.

We need to look at the situation and try not cloud our judement based on Sunni/Shia bias because most people in that region need alot more freedom, regardless of whether they are Sunni or Shia. The foreign intereference of other nations is unwarranted and will not help muslims at all. Actually. all they do is stir-up trouble - forment violence and encourage warfare - the people in the region are left in a simmering tension.

The worst wars are civil wars, the blood being spilled now by all sides is setting-up the tension for future conflicts.

Maybe the Saudi fatwa committee would do good in issuing fataawa against Kuffar troops and mercenrey forces from the soil of Saudi Arabia. Of course, they never will because they are politicised when it comes to these matters - do you know how that makes me feel as a Sunni? .........!!!

And we wonder why they are absolutely non-existant in trying to help the Palestinians...

Allahu A'lam

12-27-2011, 10:59 PM	#38
myhackingtosh_ws Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 493 Senior Member	The ironic thing about Iranian supporters like you is that you'll support the Ahl al-Bayt uprisings against tyrants, but not sunni uprisings against the tyrant syrian government. You yourself brought up 'Abdu Llah b. Zubair (and Imam al-Husayn, for that matter). If they saw it fit to rebel, why can't the Syrians? Even more ironic is that you'll support the revolutions in Bahrain, but when it comes to Syria, you say we have to "deal with reality" and "fighting only weakens Muslims". Why don't you tell the Bahraini protestors the same thing? Whatever Saudi Arabia is guilty of towards Syria, Iran is guilty of the same towards Bahrain, if not more. Shaykh al-Buti is basically alone in his fatawa. What about all the other sufi scholars who have spoken up? If it's obvious why the Saudis are issuing fatawa in aid of the syrian revolution, it's just as obvious why Iran and its supporters - like you - are doing the opposite. Where did I question the Syrians rebelling? What I have been encouraging is non-voilent rebellions to these conflicts - try to negotiate (yes, negotiate, not make demands as we always do). Why do you always have to resort to violence and killing? Do you think its better to kill ones way to power? How does that make you any different from the dictator you are trying to remove - don't you think many ordinary people (mostly muslims) are going to end-up dead as a result of crossfire etc? Do you know anything about the revolution in Bahrain? They were actually supported by many Sunni's who protested for greater freedom for all people of Bahrain. They suffered just like others in Bahrain and Bahraini's are not even taking to violent conflict, they are almost entirely street protesters against the ruling dictator. In Syria it became armed and violent very quickly - hardly a secret that arms are coming over the border from Turkey. Bahrain has no borders, the only arms in Bahrain are those of the Bahraini, Saudi and US forces based there. Bahrain is literally cut-off from the rest of the world because its a group of small Islands with the US navy (fifth fleet) controlling the waters around it. But again, like myself a few years ago, we are unable to look at a situation without being biased. I have no interest in Iran or Shia's for that matter - I hope one day, we can be at peace with them. There are many different groups and not all of them are hardline ithnaa ashariya. Yes, there are sane heads in there too. We need to look at the situation and try not cloud our judement based on Sunni/Shia bias because most people in that region need alot more freedom, regardless of whether they are Sunni or Shia. The foreign intereference of other nations is unwarranted and will not help muslims at all. Actually. all they do is stir-up trouble - forment violence and encourage warfare - the people in the region are left in a simmering tension. The worst wars are civil wars, the blood being spilled now by all sides is setting-up the tension for future conflicts. Maybe the Saudi fatwa committee would do good in issuing fataawa against Kuffar troops and mercenrey forces from the soil of Saudi Arabia. Of course, they never will because they are politicised when it comes to these matters - do you know how that makes me feel as a Sunni? .........!!! And we wonder why they are absolutely non-existant in trying to help the Palestinians... Allahu A'lam
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