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**deethythitoth** · 01-02-2008, 06:24 PM

What is the authenticity of this HAdith?

to the hanifis this hadith proves sufficient and it is graded as Hasan...to the salafis they regard it as weak. because of a certain narrator known as 'Abdur-Rahman al Kufi'.

to ascertain why he is weak they quote Imam Nawai saying "Abdur Rahman is unanimously [Consensus] weak".

but this statement made by the Imam is in itself is weak because not every Scholar of Jarh and Ta'deel agrees with him...

those who regarded him as a Thiqah Wa Sudooq, were Imam Tirmidhi, Imam Ibn Khuzaimah, Imam Hakim, Imam Bazzar, Imam Ijli, Allamah Suyooti and others.

and also Imam Ibn Qayyim, Imam Diyaud-Din al Maqdisi [but these 2 Scholars i have to check to be sure].

hence these are all the appraisals

Abdur Rahman al Kufi was not labelled a liar in his life, it was because of his memory, but the Scholars that were leniant on him state his words are not equivalent to a Hafidh but Hadiths may be recorded from him...hence his appraisals.

01-02-2008, 06:24 PM	#5
deethythitoth Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 382 Senior Member	What is the authenticity of this HAdith? to the hanifis this hadith proves sufficient and it is graded as Hasan...to the salafis they regard it as weak. because of a certain narrator known as 'Abdur-Rahman al Kufi'. to ascertain why he is weak they quote Imam Nawai saying "Abdur Rahman is unanimously [Consensus] weak". but this statement made by the Imam is in itself is weak because not every Scholar of Jarh and Ta'deel agrees with him... those who regarded him as a Thiqah Wa Sudooq, were Imam Tirmidhi, Imam Ibn Khuzaimah, Imam Hakim, Imam Bazzar, Imam Ijli, Allamah Suyooti and others. and also Imam Ibn Qayyim, Imam Diyaud-Din al Maqdisi [but these 2 Scholars i have to check to be sure]. hence these are all the appraisals Abdur Rahman al Kufi was not labelled a liar in his life, it was because of his memory, but the Scholars that were leniant on him state his words are not equivalent to a Hafidh but Hadiths may be recorded from him...hence his appraisals.
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