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**Broker15015** · 04-04-2011, 04:01 PM

"Anyone else SICK of Salafi/Asha'ri Aqeedah wars on this forum?"

What makes me sick is that Wahhabis or closet-Wahhabis are being allowed to propagate their views here.

EDIT: Also no more Takfeer on Ahlul-Sunnah, No one should make Takfeer on Habib Ali because he is a Sufi or Yusuf Estes because he is a Salafi.

Takfir aside, that sentence implies Yusuf Estes is a part of Ahl al-Sunna (even though he attacks Ahl al-Sunna openly and spreads Wahhabi beliefs).

That's part of the problem on this forum - the unclear definition of who is a Sunni and who is not and a blurred line between Ahl al-Sunna and Ahl al-Bid'a that a lot of members seem to be spreading. The fitna is not members opposing Wahhabism - the fitna is that softening of the stance against Wahhabism is being allowed on this forum and members opposing this trend are attacked.

If that's a representation of today's Deobandi Maslak, then I'm beginning to understand the Barelwis and others lumping you all in with the Salafis!

If on the other hand those "Salafis are Ahl al-Sunna too" promoters are not representative of the Deobandi Maslak, then please clarify and stop having a "laissez-faire" attitude towards Wahhabi propaganda.

EDIT: Just found this quote in another thread (my underlining):

Answer 12121

Being classified as part of the Ahlus sunnah wal Jama'ah or not, is not based on jurisprudence (Fiqh), it is on the basis of beliefs (Aqaaid). While in practice, the Wahabis are very similar to us, their completely incorrect beliefs demand that we highlight this to the public. As long as they aren't actively opposing us or spreading their Bidah Beliefs, we do not oppose them, but rather try to keep a good relationship with them. The Ulama of Deoband as a whole always had good relationships with the Saudi Ulama, however as a result of the number of books being published by the Wahabis against the Ulama of Deoband as well as their increasing efforts in spreading their Bidah beliefs and their public classifying the beliefs of the Asharis and Maaturidis as misguidance and shirk, our Ulama have been forced to reconsider our relationship with them.

They remain in the fold of Islam, but are classified as Ahlul Bidah on account of their beliefs.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai Allahumma ya Muqallib al-qulub, thabbit qulubana 'ala Dinik!

04-04-2011, 04:01 PM	#24
Broker15015 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	"Anyone else SICK of Salafi/Asha'ri Aqeedah wars on this forum?" What makes me sick is that Wahhabis or closet-Wahhabis are being allowed to propagate their views here. EDIT: Also no more Takfeer on Ahlul-Sunnah, No one should make Takfeer on Habib Ali because he is a Sufi or Yusuf Estes because he is a Salafi. Takfir aside, that sentence implies Yusuf Estes is a part of Ahl al-Sunna (even though he attacks Ahl al-Sunna openly and spreads Wahhabi beliefs). That's part of the problem on this forum - the unclear definition of who is a Sunni and who is not and a blurred line between Ahl al-Sunna and Ahl al-Bid'a that a lot of members seem to be spreading. The fitna is not members opposing Wahhabism - the fitna is that softening of the stance against Wahhabism is being allowed on this forum and members opposing this trend are attacked. If that's a representation of today's Deobandi Maslak, then I'm beginning to understand the Barelwis and others lumping you all in with the Salafis! If on the other hand those "Salafis are Ahl al-Sunna too" promoters are not representative of the Deobandi Maslak, then please clarify and stop having a "laissez-faire" attitude towards Wahhabi propaganda. EDIT: Just found this quote in another thread (my underlining): Answer 12121 Being classified as part of the Ahlus sunnah wal Jama'ah or not, is not based on jurisprudence (Fiqh), it is on the basis of beliefs (Aqaaid). While in practice, the Wahabis are very similar to us, their completely incorrect beliefs demand that we highlight this to the public. As long as they aren't actively opposing us or spreading their Bidah Beliefs, we do not oppose them, but rather try to keep a good relationship with them. The Ulama of Deoband as a whole always had good relationships with the Saudi Ulama, however as a result of the number of books being published by the Wahabis against the Ulama of Deoband as well as their increasing efforts in spreading their Bidah beliefs and their public classifying the beliefs of the Asharis and Maaturidis as misguidance and shirk, our Ulama have been forced to reconsider our relationship with them. They remain in the fold of Islam, but are classified as Ahlul Bidah on account of their beliefs. and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best Mufti Ebrahim Desai Allahumma ya Muqallib al-qulub, thabbit qulubana 'ala Dinik!
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