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**Loonakind** · 05-15-2011, 05:00 PM

Assalamu alaikum,

I was reading this thread on my phone while lying down comfortably, but was forced to get up to clarify the emotional misconceptions of the posters on this thread.

If there is any crime there needs to be proof. How can you convict someone on the basis of of just the word of one person, especially when that person (the woman) might have motive to accuse the man of rape if she is pregnant from zina?

Come on, this is completely illogical. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty no matter how heinous the crime. But on the Day of Judgment Allah will get everyone.

To TapeMonkey: Moreover the misconception that the woman will get the hadd because she is pregnant but the man will walk...how do you know of this? Have you ever read the article on the Hudud Ordinances by Mufti Taqi? If you have not researched and exhausted the resources in your disposal to determine the true nature of how these laws are implemented then you have no right to start criticizing Islam and those who implement Islamic laws. Please read the lengthy article by Mufti Taqi before commenting. He used to sit on the Shariah bench which dealth with these laws practically.

To AbuDahdah: Who gave you the authority to lay the rajm on people without evidence? These are emotions speaking. If you were a Qadi you must judge by the law of Allah not your emotion at the time. That is why it says in the hadith no qadi should judge while angry. Allah's justice is the most just and the most merciful, so we do not need additional justice or mercy from the logic of the Qadi.

Discretionary law: All laws in any country are discretionary.

Wrongful rape convictions: We see all the time wrongfully convicted people for rape and murder being released when the cases are reopened after many years due to DNA evidence now being present. Believe me or not but in many cases if a boy from a lower family has consensual sex with a girl from a socially higher family - the family of the girls often accuse the boy of rape when they find out.

,(1) How can you convict anyone without proof? (2) If no witnesses then punishment can still be given for rape as long as there is other proof. But this punishment cannot be as severe as the hadd.

05-15-2011, 05:00 PM	#7
Loonakind Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	Assalamu alaikum, I was reading this thread on my phone while lying down comfortably, but was forced to get up to clarify the emotional misconceptions of the posters on this thread. If there is any crime there needs to be proof. How can you convict someone on the basis of of just the word of one person, especially when that person (the woman) might have motive to accuse the man of rape if she is pregnant from zina? Come on, this is completely illogical. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty no matter how heinous the crime. But on the Day of Judgment Allah will get everyone. To TapeMonkey: Moreover the misconception that the woman will get the hadd because she is pregnant but the man will walk...how do you know of this? Have you ever read the article on the Hudud Ordinances by Mufti Taqi? If you have not researched and exhausted the resources in your disposal to determine the true nature of how these laws are implemented then you have no right to start criticizing Islam and those who implement Islamic laws. Please read the lengthy article by Mufti Taqi before commenting. He used to sit on the Shariah bench which dealth with these laws practically. To AbuDahdah: Who gave you the authority to lay the rajm on people without evidence? These are emotions speaking. If you were a Qadi you must judge by the law of Allah not your emotion at the time. That is why it says in the hadith no qadi should judge while angry. Allah's justice is the most just and the most merciful, so we do not need additional justice or mercy from the logic of the Qadi. Discretionary law: All laws in any country are discretionary. Wrongful rape convictions: We see all the time wrongfully convicted people for rape and murder being released when the cases are reopened after many years due to DNA evidence now being present. Believe me or not but in many cases if a boy from a lower family has consensual sex with a girl from a socially higher family - the family of the girls often accuse the boy of rape when they find out. ,(1) How can you convict anyone without proof? (2) If no witnesses then punishment can still be given for rape as long as there is other proof. But this punishment cannot be as severe as the hadd.
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