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**tactWeiccaf** · 01-29-2006, 02:16 AM

Greetings gentle being's. New poster to this forum so Ial try not to make to big a fool of myself from the get go.

I have been seeing a lot of posts dealing with the impeachment issue. So here is my immediate take on the issue.

If, and its a big one, there is going to be any hope for a investigation into this issue. There will have to be a power shift in Congress. The Democrates must, come November, not only hold their current seats. They must also win back 15 seats to gain a clear majority. With out which they will never be able to force the House Judicial Committe to take action on a writ(sp?) of Impeachment.

Currently the Committe is controled by the Republican party. As such there is very little, if any, chance of it moving forward on any issue that deal with the impeachment of the President.

So the question is can the Democrates win enought seats to shift the ballance of power? Now I will qualify myself before I plunge ahead. I'am a card carrying independent. I have no faith in either party, and as such feel that Im unbias in my disgust with the Democratic and Republican Party.

That said I'am seeing that the Democrates are political cowards. They have failed to convince their base that they are willing to take the necessary measures to preserve the tenents of the their party. They can not show any form of unity. They have failed to show the resolve that is needed to confront a issue of national importance. Such as the ever widening scope of executive privilage.

How can they possibly be of the opinion that they will be able to pick up enough seats to take power in the Congress. Im going to be suprised if they are capable of keeping the seats they currently do have.

And let there be no doubt that the current administration will have no fear of Impeachment. It will simply never be allowed to become a issue beyond the ocassional outburst by the Democrates on the floor of the house.

First, let me say welcome to the forum. Its great to see new posters here who do more than post 2 sentences bashing a given political party.

Now, to address your post...

I'm a democrat, so I may be a bit biased on this, but I don't see the democratic party as being weak. I see them as being a real party. Democrats tend to disagree with each other quite often, and never have a perfectly cohesive party stance. IMO this is the way it should be. A party should be in constant flux on its issues as new information comes to light. There should be dissonance within a party. This dissonance and lack of cohesion is IMO, all to often mistaken for weakness. In truth it is a strength, because while their message might become cloudy at times, it is an honest message which has been carefully considerd by the party, rather than a bunch of talking points created by a few think tanks.

I tend to agree with you, Bush is not likely to be impeached. I think the Democrats will pick up a few seats in 06, but certainly not 15. Right now they're not even able to filibuster Alito, so the few seats they'll pick up in 06 won't be enough for something as serious as impeachment.

The Democrats best hope for impeachment, is Bush himself. If he continues to pull stuff like wiretap Americans without a warrent, and if the Iraqi war continues to go badly, then maybe we democrats will get lucky. However it is extreamely unlikely.

01-29-2006, 02:16 AM	#11
tactWeiccaf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 581 Senior Member	Greetings gentle being's. New poster to this forum so Ial try not to make to big a fool of myself from the get go. I have been seeing a lot of posts dealing with the impeachment issue. So here is my immediate take on the issue. If, and its a big one, there is going to be any hope for a investigation into this issue. There will have to be a power shift in Congress. The Democrates must, come November, not only hold their current seats. They must also win back 15 seats to gain a clear majority. With out which they will never be able to force the House Judicial Committe to take action on a writ(sp?) of Impeachment. Currently the Committe is controled by the Republican party. As such there is very little, if any, chance of it moving forward on any issue that deal with the impeachment of the President. So the question is can the Democrates win enought seats to shift the ballance of power? Now I will qualify myself before I plunge ahead. I'am a card carrying independent. I have no faith in either party, and as such feel that Im unbias in my disgust with the Democratic and Republican Party. That said I'am seeing that the Democrates are political cowards. They have failed to convince their base that they are willing to take the necessary measures to preserve the tenents of the their party. They can not show any form of unity. They have failed to show the resolve that is needed to confront a issue of national importance. Such as the ever widening scope of executive privilage. How can they possibly be of the opinion that they will be able to pick up enough seats to take power in the Congress. Im going to be suprised if they are capable of keeping the seats they currently do have. And let there be no doubt that the current administration will have no fear of Impeachment. It will simply never be allowed to become a issue beyond the ocassional outburst by the Democrates on the floor of the house. First, let me say welcome to the forum. Its great to see new posters here who do more than post 2 sentences bashing a given political party. Now, to address your post... I'm a democrat, so I may be a bit biased on this, but I don't see the democratic party as being weak. I see them as being a real party. Democrats tend to disagree with each other quite often, and never have a perfectly cohesive party stance. IMO this is the way it should be. A party should be in constant flux on its issues as new information comes to light. There should be dissonance within a party. This dissonance and lack of cohesion is IMO, all to often mistaken for weakness. In truth it is a strength, because while their message might become cloudy at times, it is an honest message which has been carefully considerd by the party, rather than a bunch of talking points created by a few think tanks. I tend to agree with you, Bush is not likely to be impeached. I think the Democrats will pick up a few seats in 06, but certainly not 15. Right now they're not even able to filibuster Alito, so the few seats they'll pick up in 06 won't be enough for something as serious as impeachment. The Democrats best hope for impeachment, is Bush himself. If he continues to pull stuff like wiretap Americans without a warrent, and if the Iraqi war continues to go badly, then maybe we democrats will get lucky. However it is extreamely unlikely.
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