Sounds about right.. violent madmen with basically a good heart. Who's Carvell, btw? If you're emperor, that should be a given. See, this is what I don't get. They've been trying to salvage the political jihad lately by flailing out at the democrats. And it's still like they believe they have their backs covered. And, well, I'm certain that there's bits and pieces in for instance the National security act and in the constitution and so on that grants the president and the different officials the opportunity to approve just about anything at their leisure, more or less. And with the "vote for war" by Congress, that's basically everything taken care of. So they certainly are on the right side of the law, in a sense, which really leaves only any problems with keeping the lid on what they've actually done.. in the process, and how they've maintained this "legality". Meaning that they need the ideological battle, within the government and outside, to stun the debate with the binary choices they've been getting by on. Then they can simply point to that "the decisions were made", and all is well.. I mean, a pretty good strategy. Except, it's ignoring how good or bad the actual decisions are. They could sustain the political jihad by simply continuing to do horrible decisions, for instance - from this perspective it won't matter. But.. they're doing nothing but damage control in a way they can't win. They don't need unquestioning loyalty to do that, for crying out loud. Makes no sense. I mean, if I was in their position, I'd be running out of countries to conquer by now. Well, if you look at it from the point of view that the process was technically followed, the CIA is the problem. And it's a bit doubtful that the democrats, at least, are going to dig into the process, probably. Or.. look hard at the national security act. Or reform the defense department. lol. it sure seems like they've been learning from somewhere.