This thread reminds me of Daryl's contribution to "define good and evil". ""Good = Us Evil = Them"" Tim, you might have missed Mad_Michael's post. Someone saying ""People who declare that "XXX group has no morals" are themselves on tenuous moral ground"" is himself "someone who declares that XXX group has no morals". In other terms, by agreeing, you are admitting that you are on tenuous moral ground.