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**LoohornePharp** · 11-01-2005, 01:41 PM

Been pretty busy, but here are my thoughts on today's developments:

I was really impressed with Fitzgerald -- so very by the book and professional. No one on either side of the debate should be questioning his motives or the job he did. I was disappointed that I only got a scooter for Fitzmas, but it sounds like a very methodically laid out case that is strong on its face. Fitzgerald did not give the Bush administration a clean bill of health today, so no republican should be thinking their boys are in the clear. Fitzgerald ethically and by-the-book let us know that there was a serious breach of national security due to the actions of the Bush administration regardless of what the charges are today.

Yes we should wait until there's actual proof a crime was committed before we condemn anyone.

Fitzgerald confirmed Plame's classified status and that her cover was blown. He also confirmed that damage had been done. One or more of the elements of the espionage law probably couldn't be supported to the level he demanded -- thus no charge. What part of the interview did you hear that in? Fitz not once said Plame was a covert op.

I seem to remember that the Bush administration promised to not only do what is legal, but what is right. This was an obvious slam against Clinton and an attempt to be judged above Clinton's actions. Today, no one can claim that the Bush administration did the right thing in this Valerie Plame case. Again does the burden of proof not lie with the prosecution? And to date there is absolutely no evidence a crime has been committed, other than a "misstatement" to the press. Remember an indictment and conviction are vastly different.

Next week I think we will have the SCOTUS appointment dominate the news cycles for awhile. A ultra-conservative will be nominated and it will set off a huge fight. Meanwhile, Scooter will plead guilty to avoid a trial knowing Bush will pardon him. There is a chance that this is the end of the road or it could be chapter 1 of a story that will continue to unfold and erupt from time to time during the 2006 and 2008 election. Ultra-conservative? Oh you mean someone who doesn't believe the way you do, probably believes in God as well.

There is blood in the water. I have heard the Bush presidency be described as showing signs of weakness or being in the midst of a tactical retreat. Just goes to show that one man's weakness is another's idea of tactical retreat.
The deal is that the post-9/11 honeymoon with the unquestioning press and the Bush administration is over. There is a credibility gap and republicans can no longer claim moral authority. Unquestioning press? Is that the same press that lied about Bush and cost Dan Rather his job? Republicans don't have to claim moral authority. All they have to do is encourage the liberals to speak louder. With each passing day moderates flee from what the rabid liberals have created in the Democratic party; clearly evidenced by recent election results.

Libby's charges reveal something to the world that I knew all along, we cannot trust what anybody in the Bush administration says on things that matter. Sure, I will never trust Clinton when he says he never had sex with that woman or any other woman, but that is about it. We cannot trust the Bush administration on the stuff we should -- national security. For that, no one should be celebrating. You, along with every other whacked out liberal, have screamed from day one about how bad Bush is from his first election to the present. The fact is despite his faults Bush is a moral god fearing man. This alone is a major reason why the immoral left despise him. He doesn't drink, anymore, he doesn't party like the Clintons. He simply prays for the guidance to do what's best for the citizens of this great nation. Incidentally this is also why liberals need to put forth the myth that the republicans have lost their "moral authority." If Bush has taught us nothing else he's shown us the vitriolic hatred that emanates from the left and how best to deal with them; don't debate them because facts and truth they could care less about, simply encourage them to speak openly and loudly about their beliefs. Moderates flee from that kind of rhetoric.

Varus

11-01-2005, 01:41 PM	#8
LoohornePharp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	Been pretty busy, but here are my thoughts on today's developments: I was really impressed with Fitzgerald -- so very by the book and professional. No one on either side of the debate should be questioning his motives or the job he did. I was disappointed that I only got a scooter for Fitzmas, but it sounds like a very methodically laid out case that is strong on its face. Fitzgerald did not give the Bush administration a clean bill of health today, so no republican should be thinking their boys are in the clear. Fitzgerald ethically and by-the-book let us know that there was a serious breach of national security due to the actions of the Bush administration regardless of what the charges are today. Yes we should wait until there's actual proof a crime was committed before we condemn anyone. Fitzgerald confirmed Plame's classified status and that her cover was blown. He also confirmed that damage had been done. One or more of the elements of the espionage law probably couldn't be supported to the level he demanded -- thus no charge. What part of the interview did you hear that in? Fitz not once said Plame was a covert op. I seem to remember that the Bush administration promised to not only do what is legal, but what is right. This was an obvious slam against Clinton and an attempt to be judged above Clinton's actions. Today, no one can claim that the Bush administration did the right thing in this Valerie Plame case. Again does the burden of proof not lie with the prosecution? And to date there is absolutely no evidence a crime has been committed, other than a "misstatement" to the press. Remember an indictment and conviction are vastly different. Next week I think we will have the SCOTUS appointment dominate the news cycles for awhile. A ultra-conservative will be nominated and it will set off a huge fight. Meanwhile, Scooter will plead guilty to avoid a trial knowing Bush will pardon him. There is a chance that this is the end of the road or it could be chapter 1 of a story that will continue to unfold and erupt from time to time during the 2006 and 2008 election. Ultra-conservative? Oh you mean someone who doesn't believe the way you do, probably believes in God as well. There is blood in the water. I have heard the Bush presidency be described as showing signs of weakness or being in the midst of a tactical retreat. Just goes to show that one man's weakness is another's idea of tactical retreat. The deal is that the post-9/11 honeymoon with the unquestioning press and the Bush administration is over. There is a credibility gap and republicans can no longer claim moral authority. Unquestioning press? Is that the same press that lied about Bush and cost Dan Rather his job? Republicans don't have to claim moral authority. All they have to do is encourage the liberals to speak louder. With each passing day moderates flee from what the rabid liberals have created in the Democratic party; clearly evidenced by recent election results. Libby's charges reveal something to the world that I knew all along, we cannot trust what anybody in the Bush administration says on things that matter. Sure, I will never trust Clinton when he says he never had sex with that woman or any other woman, but that is about it. We cannot trust the Bush administration on the stuff we should -- national security. For that, no one should be celebrating. You, along with every other whacked out liberal, have screamed from day one about how bad Bush is from his first election to the present. The fact is despite his faults Bush is a moral god fearing man. This alone is a major reason why the immoral left despise him. He doesn't drink, anymore, he doesn't party like the Clintons. He simply prays for the guidance to do what's best for the citizens of this great nation. Incidentally this is also why liberals need to put forth the myth that the republicans have lost their "moral authority." If Bush has taught us nothing else he's shown us the vitriolic hatred that emanates from the left and how best to deal with them; don't debate them because facts and truth they could care less about, simply encourage them to speak openly and loudly about their beliefs. Moderates flee from that kind of rhetoric. Varus
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