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**lmHVYs8e** · 02-18-2006, 05:06 PM

Sorry, but My vote is that the thread itself sucks. No futher comment offered..

Translation:"Sorry I've nothing to say, and haven't a mind of my own."

If that were true, I'd imagine we would still have the AOC and not the Constitution.

No, they wanted complete control at the (centralized) federal level, period.

The Constitution made it possible to win the Civil War. Also, see the 13th, 14th, 15th amendments. Those would be amendments to the Constitution.

There was no reason to fight the civil war, and the emancipation proclamation did nothing. Blacks were still treated as second class citizens, couldn't vote, and it was only the liberal Civil Rights Movement that broke the barriers of segregation. Later the U.S.G. had no problem using them in their sick eugenics program either. So anyway, all that would've come under the Articles, and so would any amendments. The Articles were a superior system as it was a decentralized one. The Civil War (slaves) was an excuse for imperialism, and absolute control. Civil War is population adjustment and that's all it ever is.

Contrast and Compare:

One's a decentralized system, and one's a centralized one. Now look where we're today, and what, has absolute control.

Comparing the Articles and the Constitution
The United States has operated under two constitutions. The first, The Articles of Confederation, was in effect from March 1, 1781, when Maryland ratified it. The second, The Constitution, replaced the Articles when it was ratified by New Hampshire on June 21, 1788.

The two documents have much in common - they were established by the same people (sometimes literally the same exact people, though mostly just in terms of contemporaries). But they differ more than they do resemble each other, when one looks at the details. Comparing them can give us insight into what the Framers found important in 1781, and what they changed their minds on by 1788.

Formal name of the nation
Articles: The United States of America
Constitution: (not specified, but referred to in the Preamble as "the United States of America")

Legislature
Articles: Unicameral, called Congress
Constitution: Bicameral, called Congress, divided into the House of Representatives and the Senate

Members of Congress
Articles: Between two and seven members per state
Constitution: Two Senators per state, Representatives apportioned according to population of each state

Voting in Congress
Articles: One vote per state
Constitution: One vote per Representative or Senator

Appointment of members
Articles: All appointed by state legislatures, in the manner each legislature directed
Constitution: Representatives elected by popular vote, Senators appointed by state legislatures

Term of legislative office
Articles: One year
Constitution: Two years for Representatives, six for Senators

Term limit for legislative office
Articles: No more than three out of every six years
Constitution: None

Congressional Pay
Articles: Paid by states
Constitution: Paid by the federal government

When Congress is not in session...
Articles: A Committee of States had the full powers of Congress
Constitution: The President can call for Congress to assemble

Chair of legislature
Articles: President of Congress
Constitution: Speaker of the House of Representatives, Vice President is President of the Senate

Executive
Articles: None
Constitution: President

National Judiciary
Articles: Maritime judiciary established
Constitution: Federal judiciary established, including Supreme Court

Adjudicator of disputes between states
Articles: Congress
Constitution: Supreme Court

New States
Articles: Admitted upon agreement of nine states (special exemption provided for Canada)
Constitution: Admitted upon agreement of Congress

Amendment
Articles: When agreed upon by all states
Constitution: When agreed upon by three-fourths of all states

Navy
Articles: Congress authorized to build a navy; states authorized to equip warships to counter piracy
Constitution: Congress authorized to build a navy; states not allowed to keep ships of war

Army
Articles: Congress to decide on size of force and to requisition troops from each state according to population
Constitution: Congress authorized to raise and support armies

Power to coin money
Articles: United States and the states
Constitution: United States only

Ex post facto laws
Articles: Not forbidden
Constitution: Forbidden of both the states and the Congress

Bills of attainder
Articles: Not forbidden
Constitution: Forbidden of both the states and the Congress

Taxes
Articles: Apportioned by Congress, collected by the states
Constitution: Laid and collected by Congress

Ratification
Articles: Unanimous consent required
Constitution: Consent of nine states required

02-18-2006, 05:06 PM	#7
lmHVYs8e Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	Sorry, but My vote is that the thread itself sucks. No futher comment offered.. Translation:"Sorry I've nothing to say, and haven't a mind of my own." If that were true, I'd imagine we would still have the AOC and not the Constitution. No, they wanted complete control at the (centralized) federal level, period. The Constitution made it possible to win the Civil War. Also, see the 13th, 14th, 15th amendments. Those would be amendments to the Constitution. There was no reason to fight the civil war, and the emancipation proclamation did nothing. Blacks were still treated as second class citizens, couldn't vote, and it was only the liberal Civil Rights Movement that broke the barriers of segregation. Later the U.S.G. had no problem using them in their sick eugenics program either. So anyway, all that would've come under the Articles, and so would any amendments. The Articles were a superior system as it was a decentralized one. The Civil War (slaves) was an excuse for imperialism, and absolute control. Civil War is population adjustment and that's all it ever is. Contrast and Compare: One's a decentralized system, and one's a centralized one. Now look where we're today, and what, has absolute control. Comparing the Articles and the Constitution The United States has operated under two constitutions. The first, The Articles of Confederation, was in effect from March 1, 1781, when Maryland ratified it. The second, The Constitution, replaced the Articles when it was ratified by New Hampshire on June 21, 1788. The two documents have much in common - they were established by the same people (sometimes literally the same exact people, though mostly just in terms of contemporaries). But they differ more than they do resemble each other, when one looks at the details. Comparing them can give us insight into what the Framers found important in 1781, and what they changed their minds on by 1788. Formal name of the nation Articles: The United States of America Constitution: (not specified, but referred to in the Preamble as "the United States of America") Legislature Articles: Unicameral, called Congress Constitution: Bicameral, called Congress, divided into the House of Representatives and the Senate Members of Congress Articles: Between two and seven members per state Constitution: Two Senators per state, Representatives apportioned according to population of each state Voting in Congress Articles: One vote per state Constitution: One vote per Representative or Senator Appointment of members Articles: All appointed by state legislatures, in the manner each legislature directed Constitution: Representatives elected by popular vote, Senators appointed by state legislatures Term of legislative office Articles: One year Constitution: Two years for Representatives, six for Senators Term limit for legislative office Articles: No more than three out of every six years Constitution: None Congressional Pay Articles: Paid by states Constitution: Paid by the federal government When Congress is not in session... Articles: A Committee of States had the full powers of Congress Constitution: The President can call for Congress to assemble Chair of legislature Articles: President of Congress Constitution: Speaker of the House of Representatives, Vice President is President of the Senate Executive Articles: None Constitution: President National Judiciary Articles: Maritime judiciary established Constitution: Federal judiciary established, including Supreme Court Adjudicator of disputes between states Articles: Congress Constitution: Supreme Court New States Articles: Admitted upon agreement of nine states (special exemption provided for Canada) Constitution: Admitted upon agreement of Congress Amendment Articles: When agreed upon by all states Constitution: When agreed upon by three-fourths of all states Navy Articles: Congress authorized to build a navy; states authorized to equip warships to counter piracy Constitution: Congress authorized to build a navy; states not allowed to keep ships of war Army Articles: Congress to decide on size of force and to requisition troops from each state according to population Constitution: Congress authorized to raise and support armies Power to coin money Articles: United States and the states Constitution: United States only Ex post facto laws Articles: Not forbidden Constitution: Forbidden of both the states and the Congress Bills of attainder Articles: Not forbidden Constitution: Forbidden of both the states and the Congress Taxes Articles: Apportioned by Congress, collected by the states Constitution: Laid and collected by Congress Ratification Articles: Unanimous consent required Constitution: Consent of nine states required
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