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**jelena-nanana** · 02-06-2006, 03:55 PM

Perhaps if you were to post some facts, we could discuss this rationally. First, you dont know anything about the NSA program. Second, there has been no legal challenge to the program. Third, there has been detailed legal explanations of the program from the CRS and the Attorney General, which includes court rulings in the Presidents favor, and congressional oversight. Given all that you have no factual basis your your explanation that anything wrong is being done. Rather you are attempting to prohibit the President from protecting the country in a way that he deems neccesary, all for the sake of partisanship.

Frankly it is you that is taking a partisan road here. Your right there is no concrete proof and how could there be since all the President feels he has to do is wrap himself in the flag assert that national security prevents him from disussing anything pertaining to the issue, expect what he feels will defend his position in a round about way, and then shut down the topic by claiming if you pursue it yu are harmning the nation. What this really boils down to is you choose to believe and trust Bush. I frankly after the past couple of years do not trust him. You, since you do trust him, do not feel any further information is necessary. I since I do not trust him feel it is up to Congress to assert their oversight responsibilities and take action to find out if there has been a violation of the law. THe point here is we are both basing what we feel should be done on relatively uniformed opinion on the matter since it has been so secretive. You do not know he has not violated the law, and I do not know he has. THe difference is I want to find out and I get the feeling you don't.

02-06-2006, 03:55 PM	#20
jelena-nanana Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 335 Senior Member	Perhaps if you were to post some facts, we could discuss this rationally. First, you dont know anything about the NSA program. Second, there has been no legal challenge to the program. Third, there has been detailed legal explanations of the program from the CRS and the Attorney General, which includes court rulings in the Presidents favor, and congressional oversight. Given all that you have no factual basis your your explanation that anything wrong is being done. Rather you are attempting to prohibit the President from protecting the country in a way that he deems neccesary, all for the sake of partisanship. Frankly it is you that is taking a partisan road here. Your right there is no concrete proof and how could there be since all the President feels he has to do is wrap himself in the flag assert that national security prevents him from disussing anything pertaining to the issue, expect what he feels will defend his position in a round about way, and then shut down the topic by claiming if you pursue it yu are harmning the nation. What this really boils down to is you choose to believe and trust Bush. I frankly after the past couple of years do not trust him. You, since you do trust him, do not feel any further information is necessary. I since I do not trust him feel it is up to Congress to assert their oversight responsibilities and take action to find out if there has been a violation of the law. THe point here is we are both basing what we feel should be done on relatively uniformed opinion on the matter since it has been so secretive. You do not know he has not violated the law, and I do not know he has. THe difference is I want to find out and I get the feeling you don't.
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