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**Smeaphvalialm** · 02-06-2006, 10:02 PM

actually we DO have some "Facts" to go on.

FACT Bush has stated that he doesn't need permission from the court.
FACT He talks about the program being necessary (agreed) but never gets to the point of disussing the issue of the courts permission. only that the "Program" is necessary On Short,
FACT He evades the real issue.

The only thing we have to find our is whether the Law allows it.

No if he used thios program to spy on foreigners then I have absolutely no problem with it. If he used it to spy on AMericans, who amy or may not have worked with those foreigners I would have no problem with it as long as he complied with the FISAct. The issue here isn't do I trust him or not, I don't, but that still doesn't tell me if he used it on AMericans within the boundaries of the US without first getting the required warrants. TO me that is the only issue. If he did he violated the law and as such should face the penalties like any other AMerican who violates the law. If he didn't I have no problem with this program. The problem for me is I do not trust him when he proclaims he did not violate the law. I need proof because he has misled us in the past, or at least his minions have. For me that is the only issue. Once I am comfortable with the fact that he hasn't used the program on AMericans in America in violation of the law then as far as I am concerned he is off the hook on this one.

THe problem conservative Repubs have to face is that they opened a can of worms in 1998. They insisted the President was not above the law, and in that respect they were right. Clinton wasn't nor is this President. So now potentially it is comming home to bite their guy.

02-06-2006, 10:02 PM	#37
Smeaphvalialm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	actually we DO have some "Facts" to go on. FACT Bush has stated that he doesn't need permission from the court. FACT He talks about the program being necessary (agreed) but never gets to the point of disussing the issue of the courts permission. only that the "Program" is necessary On Short, FACT He evades the real issue. The only thing we have to find our is whether the Law allows it. No if he used thios program to spy on foreigners then I have absolutely no problem with it. If he used it to spy on AMericans, who amy or may not have worked with those foreigners I would have no problem with it as long as he complied with the FISAct. The issue here isn't do I trust him or not, I don't, but that still doesn't tell me if he used it on AMericans within the boundaries of the US without first getting the required warrants. TO me that is the only issue. If he did he violated the law and as such should face the penalties like any other AMerican who violates the law. If he didn't I have no problem with this program. The problem for me is I do not trust him when he proclaims he did not violate the law. I need proof because he has misled us in the past, or at least his minions have. For me that is the only issue. Once I am comfortable with the fact that he hasn't used the program on AMericans in America in violation of the law then as far as I am concerned he is off the hook on this one. THe problem conservative Repubs have to face is that they opened a can of worms in 1998. They insisted the President was not above the law, and in that respect they were right. Clinton wasn't nor is this President. So now potentially it is comming home to bite their guy.
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