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**leangarance** · 02-15-2006, 12:22 PM

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Source = An old post of mine.
China's got about 300 Su-27/30 Flankers. 2/3 of them are vintage, lacking modern avionics. The rest are not too bad. They got about 300 J-8(2) (read F-4 Phantom with shitty avionics), and maybe 800 Mig-21's of various quality. The J-7B (Mig-21) sucks ass, uses old missiles, has low range, the later J-7E/G have longer range, better missiles.

Suggest you consult this site: http://www.sinodefence.com/default.asp

Taiwan, IIRC, has 60 Mirage 2000 and 150 F-16. They also have some 300 IDF and F-5 Freedom Fighter, maybe a few hundred more give or take. Su-27 owns Mirage 2000 in terms of payload, maneuverablity, thrust to weight ratio (I believe) and range. Mirage 2000 may have better avionics (radar, and computer interface (it makes a difference)). So, I will just say that China lacks several things:

Enough AWACS to control and coordinate its fighters
A distinctive qualitative/quantitative edge in the air
Lack of ground attack aircraft (China's latest generation is the JH-7A which is well behind in terms of production schedule. I don't know what China has by the way of land attack missiles. They imported some stuff from Russia. Will have to get back to you on the homegrown stuff. Offhand I will say Kh-31P Krypton is the weapon of choice, used by Flanker, don't know about JH-7A.

Now that's just the air. Let's talk briefly about the navy and the AMPHIBIOUS forces.

China's navy sucks. They have two new prototype Aegis, two other ships that are not too bad at air defense, and two new air defence ships building in the docks. It's insufficient for defending an invasion fleet.

The actual landing craft: NO landing carriers (such as our USS Wasp). Also, that means no using hovercrafts to rapidly land troops. The landing ships they have are WW2 style. Totally inadequate fucking sitting ducks for anti-ship missiles which Taiwan has A SHIT LOAD OF. You can fire an anti-ship missile off the back of a truck, as the British learned in 1982.

The actual amphibious tanks suck ass. They have 105mm guns and thin armor. They would be wiped out, assuming they even made it onto the beaches. You can have a look at Taiwan's military on that global security link. Look at how much artillery and armor they have. No landing force has a chance in hell at survival. Last I heard, China can move 30,000 men at one time. ROC's army is some 250,000 not counting reserves, IIRC......

Let's not even get started about shoulder-fired and portable anti-tank weapons......

02-15-2006, 12:22 PM	#15
leangarance Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 499 Senior Member	...... Source = An old post of mine. China's got about 300 Su-27/30 Flankers. 2/3 of them are vintage, lacking modern avionics. The rest are not too bad. They got about 300 J-8(2) (read F-4 Phantom with shitty avionics), and maybe 800 Mig-21's of various quality. The J-7B (Mig-21) sucks ass, uses old missiles, has low range, the later J-7E/G have longer range, better missiles. Suggest you consult this site: http://www.sinodefence.com/default.asp Taiwan, IIRC, has 60 Mirage 2000 and 150 F-16. They also have some 300 IDF and F-5 Freedom Fighter, maybe a few hundred more give or take. Su-27 owns Mirage 2000 in terms of payload, maneuverablity, thrust to weight ratio (I believe) and range. Mirage 2000 may have better avionics (radar, and computer interface (it makes a difference)). So, I will just say that China lacks several things: Enough AWACS to control and coordinate its fighters A distinctive qualitative/quantitative edge in the air Lack of ground attack aircraft (China's latest generation is the JH-7A which is well behind in terms of production schedule. I don't know what China has by the way of land attack missiles. They imported some stuff from Russia. Will have to get back to you on the homegrown stuff. Offhand I will say Kh-31P Krypton is the weapon of choice, used by Flanker, don't know about JH-7A. Now that's just the air. Let's talk briefly about the navy and the AMPHIBIOUS forces. China's navy sucks. They have two new prototype Aegis, two other ships that are not too bad at air defense, and two new air defence ships building in the docks. It's insufficient for defending an invasion fleet. The actual landing craft: NO landing carriers (such as our USS Wasp). Also, that means no using hovercrafts to rapidly land troops. The landing ships they have are WW2 style. Totally inadequate fucking sitting ducks for anti-ship missiles which Taiwan has A SHIT LOAD OF. You can fire an anti-ship missile off the back of a truck, as the British learned in 1982. The actual amphibious tanks suck ass. They have 105mm guns and thin armor. They would be wiped out, assuming they even made it onto the beaches. You can have a look at Taiwan's military on that global security link. Look at how much artillery and armor they have. No landing force has a chance in hell at survival. Last I heard, China can move 30,000 men at one time. ROC's army is some 250,000 not counting reserves, IIRC...... Let's not even get started about shoulder-fired and portable anti-tank weapons......
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