[wentscat]

my advice, dont get the iPods... (im also a Apple hater...)
they look good but they're expensive, uncomfortable and not as good as other alternatives

i would recommend the iRiver mp3 players.. they're really good..

but if you dont really need/care/use the extra options, and u have the extra cash, and u just want something tht looks nice, get the iPod mini, the shuffle just stinks :P