I have forwarded your links to Dulux paints to get the definitive colour (please note the correct spelling...ahem) on these two items. The accuracy of their verdict has been cross referenced and confirmed by the British Museum, the New York Times and Mrs Miggins of 42 Picklethwaite Drive, Nether Bollockton. the first item has been officially given the name, "damson at twilight" The second item has less officially been titled "the colour of testes after being kicked by a 15 stone woman wearing stilletos" I am reliably informed that the latter of these two titles is a work in progress and subject to change. which is nice!