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**epPtsDno** · 09-16-2011, 07:12 PM

If we're talking "normal" unemployed (meaning non-elderly able bodied), give them the normal six months unemployment, then they're on their own. If they end up living under a bridge, so be it. However, that doesn't happen in the vast majority of cases. Looking into the abyss is very motivating. People figure out how to get by. I would also limit repeated uses of unemployment. I was having a conversation with a few friends about this, and they were bringing up how they know people who knew how to "surf" the system (work as minimally as possible and stay on unemployment as maximally as possible). This should be detectable and preventable. There would be no welfare for able bodied adults. If you have kids and you can't/won't support them, they'd be subject taken away (especially if they were born while the parents were in no position to support them.) While I have reservations about state or private social services agencies raising kids, kid cannot be allowed to be used as lever to extort benefit money. I think if it gets seen that having kids doesn't get you benefits, you'll see a lot less kids born into poverty.

I'm going to point out something that has already happened (or is in the process of happening) but no one wants to acknowledge: The concept of retirement as it has been known for the last fifty years or so, basically as an extended vacation from late middle age until death, is over. It's just not going to be affordable for the vast majority of people hitting "retirement age". And the gov't is not in a position to try to prop up this concept. SS will at some point have to end it's retirement benefits system, and convert everything to something like it's disability program (SSI). When someone reaches a point where they're physically unable to work, they can apply for disability, subject to rigorous examination. But if they're still able bodied at any age, they won't get benefits.

Okay, I'll take the bait ...

What do you suggest that we DO with all those unproductive types that are dragging you down? And please carry out the argument to the end, and not simply post the easy first step of cutting them loose.

09-16-2011, 07:12 PM	#42
epPtsDno Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	If we're talking "normal" unemployed (meaning non-elderly able bodied), give them the normal six months unemployment, then they're on their own. If they end up living under a bridge, so be it. However, that doesn't happen in the vast majority of cases. Looking into the abyss is very motivating. People figure out how to get by. I would also limit repeated uses of unemployment. I was having a conversation with a few friends about this, and they were bringing up how they know people who knew how to "surf" the system (work as minimally as possible and stay on unemployment as maximally as possible). This should be detectable and preventable. There would be no welfare for able bodied adults. If you have kids and you can't/won't support them, they'd be subject taken away (especially if they were born while the parents were in no position to support them.) While I have reservations about state or private social services agencies raising kids, kid cannot be allowed to be used as lever to extort benefit money. I think if it gets seen that having kids doesn't get you benefits, you'll see a lot less kids born into poverty. I'm going to point out something that has already happened (or is in the process of happening) but no one wants to acknowledge: The concept of retirement as it has been known for the last fifty years or so, basically as an extended vacation from late middle age until death, is over. It's just not going to be affordable for the vast majority of people hitting "retirement age". And the gov't is not in a position to try to prop up this concept. SS will at some point have to end it's retirement benefits system, and convert everything to something like it's disability program (SSI). When someone reaches a point where they're physically unable to work, they can apply for disability, subject to rigorous examination. But if they're still able bodied at any age, they won't get benefits. Okay, I'll take the bait ... What do you suggest that we DO with all those unproductive types that are dragging you down? And please carry out the argument to the end, and not simply post the easy first step of cutting them loose.
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