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**realfan87** · 09-17-2011, 03:26 PM

If we're talking "normal" unemployed (meaning non-elderly able bodied), give them the normal six months unemployment, then they're on their own. If they end up living under a bridge, so be it. However, that doesn't happen in the vast majority of cases. Looking into the abyss is very motivating. People figure out how to get by. Do you mean normal employment to include working at places like Walmart for 7 to 10 dollars per hour? The report out this month states that more than 15% of the US population is living in poverty. Other statistics show that more than 9% are unemployed. That means that *many* millions are employed and are already living in poverty. These people don't need to look into the abyss -- they're already in it looking out.

I would also limit repeated uses of unemployment. That's great, and I am sure nearly all of the currently employed people would like to limit their uses of unemployment insurance, which they pay year in and year out.

I was having a conversation with a few friends about this, and they were bringing up how they know people who knew how to "surf" the system (work as minimally as possible and stay on unemployment as maximally as possible). This should be detectable and preventable. There would be no welfare for able bodied adults. If you have kids and you can't/won't support them, they'd be subject taken away (especially if they were born while the parents were in no position to support them.) I don't know where to start. You assume many or even most of the 45 million people living in poverty, including the elderly and children, are freeloading. Some people will abuse *any* social welfare system, and I agree they need to be stopped whenever and however it is possible. But this is NOT the leading cause of poverty or its cure.

I'm going to point out something that has already happened (or is in the process of happening) but no one wants to acknowledge: The concept of retirement as it has been known for the last fifty years or so, basically as an extended vacation from late middle age until death, is over. Ay yai yai...

09-17-2011, 03:26 PM	#48
realfan87 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 629 Senior Member	If we're talking "normal" unemployed (meaning non-elderly able bodied), give them the normal six months unemployment, then they're on their own. If they end up living under a bridge, so be it. However, that doesn't happen in the vast majority of cases. Looking into the abyss is very motivating. People figure out how to get by. Do you mean normal employment to include working at places like Walmart for 7 to 10 dollars per hour? The report out this month states that more than 15% of the US population is living in poverty. Other statistics show that more than 9% are unemployed. That means that many millions are employed and are already living in poverty. These people don't need to look into the abyss -- they're already in it looking out. I would also limit repeated uses of unemployment. That's great, and I am sure nearly all of the currently employed people would like to limit their uses of unemployment insurance, which they pay year in and year out. I was having a conversation with a few friends about this, and they were bringing up how they know people who knew how to "surf" the system (work as minimally as possible and stay on unemployment as maximally as possible). This should be detectable and preventable. There would be no welfare for able bodied adults. If you have kids and you can't/won't support them, they'd be subject taken away (especially if they were born while the parents were in no position to support them.) I don't know where to start. You assume many or even most of the 45 million people living in poverty, including the elderly and children, are freeloading. Some people will abuse any social welfare system, and I agree they need to be stopped whenever and however it is possible. But this is NOT the leading cause of poverty or its cure. I'm going to point out something that has already happened (or is in the process of happening) but no one wants to acknowledge: The concept of retirement as it has been known for the last fifty years or so, basically as an extended vacation from late middle age until death, is over. Ay yai yai...
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