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**vernotixas** · 07-10-2008, 09:19 PM

Its a forum where opinions are expressed. After having lived in Europe for years, and holding my ear to the railtrack, I can assure you that a critical examination is not the same as either disdain or vitriol.

Suggesting a different pair of pants to someone is different than calling someone a cow while wearing them.

Both may be inherently true, but the mode of delivery of one is unarguably better than the other.

AND more likely to get the individual to see what you are saying without hating you in the process.

There is a growing sense of unease about the Anti Roma policies taking place - everywhere, and when fellow posters (from Europe or elsewhere) point to single issue articles as backing up a one line "analysis" typed on their Toshiba or Sony computer about the rise of Asia, it does nothing more than reinforce my views. Vague reference. Be more specific and cut out the straw herrings (which, coincidentally, seem to be red). Siting one product line as a way of debunking what others have said is not a fair rebuttal. Be more specific and cut out the glib rejoinders. You know what you are doing.

It would be nice just to "talk up" whatever you hold dear, to increase its prominence or ostensible value - like realtors often do. But that would be dishonest. Most of us here want an honest debate. Then provide it. Or do you want a few more stones for your pile?

What will happen when Europe's populations are in decline? Probably nothing - because Europe has already become the worlds greatest retirement village. Please, go further. Where are they retiring? Are kids moving out? You make a broad statement like that and there is nothing to go on. You are inviting argument, not discussion.

What do the European economies actually provide the world, except

Weapons

Design

Tourism

What do they actually make these days that Japan (or Korea for that matter) does not?

Thats not vitriol, thats just reality. Be cool. I am cool. The vitriol is not in the topic, but the dressing you choose to put on it.

You may have valid points to discuss, but using terms like "retirement village" and suggesting that the EU is noly good for the manufacturing of Weapons of Mass Tourism is not really doing more than spraying hairspray on the fire.

Looks amazing but does not really do much to keep the house warm.

I am not asking you to respond to what I am saying. I am not offering much to respond to in the thread of this topic. What I am asking you is to provide a bit more meat on your bones here.

Few people honestly listen to what you say anymore because you seem to hate too much. When someone hates everything about something, it gives their opinion less weight, especially to those that LIKE some of the things/places/people you may have defamed.

Take it as a life lesson. I am sure you know it already. You are a bright person. But just do us all a favor and try to keep everything both in context and in check.

Tell us what you LIKE about England/the EU and how they should do more POSITIVE things to make it even better.

Pulling over to the side of the road to tell a motorist who is changing a tire that he has a flat will not really help things.

And calling him stupid will really make for a fine day out!

07-10-2008, 09:19 PM	#3
vernotixas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 514 Senior Member	Its a forum where opinions are expressed. After having lived in Europe for years, and holding my ear to the railtrack, I can assure you that a critical examination is not the same as either disdain or vitriol. Suggesting a different pair of pants to someone is different than calling someone a cow while wearing them. Both may be inherently true, but the mode of delivery of one is unarguably better than the other. AND more likely to get the individual to see what you are saying without hating you in the process. There is a growing sense of unease about the Anti Roma policies taking place - everywhere, and when fellow posters (from Europe or elsewhere) point to single issue articles as backing up a one line "analysis" typed on their Toshiba or Sony computer about the rise of Asia, it does nothing more than reinforce my views. Vague reference. Be more specific and cut out the straw herrings (which, coincidentally, seem to be red). Siting one product line as a way of debunking what others have said is not a fair rebuttal. Be more specific and cut out the glib rejoinders. You know what you are doing. It would be nice just to "talk up" whatever you hold dear, to increase its prominence or ostensible value - like realtors often do. But that would be dishonest. Most of us here want an honest debate. Then provide it. Or do you want a few more stones for your pile? What will happen when Europe's populations are in decline? Probably nothing - because Europe has already become the worlds greatest retirement village. Please, go further. Where are they retiring? Are kids moving out? You make a broad statement like that and there is nothing to go on. You are inviting argument, not discussion. What do the European economies actually provide the world, except Weapons Design Tourism What do they actually make these days that Japan (or Korea for that matter) does not? Thats not vitriol, thats just reality. Be cool. I am cool. The vitriol is not in the topic, but the dressing you choose to put on it. You may have valid points to discuss, but using terms like "retirement village" and suggesting that the EU is noly good for the manufacturing of Weapons of Mass Tourism is not really doing more than spraying hairspray on the fire. Looks amazing but does not really do much to keep the house warm. I am not asking you to respond to what I am saying. I am not offering much to respond to in the thread of this topic. What I am asking you is to provide a bit more meat on your bones here. Few people honestly listen to what you say anymore because you seem to hate too much. When someone hates everything about something, it gives their opinion less weight, especially to those that LIKE some of the things/places/people you may have defamed. Take it as a life lesson. I am sure you know it already. You are a bright person. But just do us all a favor and try to keep everything both in context and in check. Tell us what you LIKE about England/the EU and how they should do more POSITIVE things to make it even better. Pulling over to the side of the road to tell a motorist who is changing a tire that he has a flat will not really help things. And calling him stupid will really make for a fine day out!
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