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**AngelBee** · 10-13-2008, 06:37 PM

Now, the Enlightenment's core principles were never really put in place, were they --even by their most ardent advocates, like Thomas Jefferson. That sainted gent was either morally blind or a cynical hypocrite, which is the same thing.

Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite: all were observed by the Founders in the breach. Liberte applied to all men except slaves, Egalite applied to all men except slaves, Fraternite could be found (if at all) in the master's bedroom.

Jasonik, you need to sharpen up your hagiography.

ablarc has cleverly, or unwittingly illustrated a peculiar brand of 'reasoning' not only employed by today's liberals.

His example of Thomas Jefferson may equally be used as a rebuke for admirers of American Palladian revivalist architecture. The stylistic admiration is flawed and will be forever tainted by it's association with Jefferson -- an imperfect man whose ideals were shamefully loftier than his actions.

By this 'logic' ideas needn't be directly rebutted or even alternatives proposed. No, the idea must only be associated with a figure presenting a frailty in character to be conveniently dismissed.

Adopting the style I'll not defend segregation, just dismiss the idea of opposition to segregation:
Segregation is the adultery of an illicit intercourse between injustice and immorality.
Martin Luther King Jr.
US black civil rights leader & clergyman (1929 - 1968) The man certainly knew something about adultery.
Three relationships were more than one-night stands, and Martin grew especially close to one woman. The "relationship, rather than his marriage, increasingly became the emotional centerpiece of King's life, but it did not eliminate the incidental couplings that were a commonplace of King's travels."
"Bearing the Cross", by David Garrow "Martin and I were away more often than we were at home; and while this was no excuse for extramarital relations, it was a reason. Some men are better able to bear such deprivations than others, though all of us in SCLC headquarters had our weak moments. We all understood and believed in the biblical prohibition against sex outside of marriage. It was just that he had a particularly difficult time with that temptation.
"And the Walls Came Tumbling Down", by Ralph Abernathy This is certainly enough to call into question the whole concept of desegregation.

Q.E.D.

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AngelBee Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 462 Senior Member	Now, the Enlightenment's core principles were never really put in place, were they --even by their most ardent advocates, like Thomas Jefferson. That sainted gent was either morally blind or a cynical hypocrite, which is the same thing. Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite: all were observed by the Founders in the breach. Liberte applied to all men except slaves, Egalite applied to all men except slaves, Fraternite could be found (if at all) in the master's bedroom. Jasonik, you need to sharpen up your hagiography. ablarc has cleverly, or unwittingly illustrated a peculiar brand of 'reasoning' not only employed by today's liberals. His example of Thomas Jefferson may equally be used as a rebuke for admirers of American Palladian revivalist architecture. The stylistic admiration is flawed and will be forever tainted by it's association with Jefferson -- an imperfect man whose ideals were shamefully loftier than his actions. By this 'logic' ideas needn't be directly rebutted or even alternatives proposed. No, the idea must only be associated with a figure presenting a frailty in character to be conveniently dismissed. Adopting the style I'll not defend segregation, just dismiss the idea of opposition to segregation: Segregation is the adultery of an illicit intercourse between injustice and immorality. Martin Luther King Jr. US black civil rights leader & clergyman (1929 - 1968) The man certainly knew something about adultery. Three relationships were more than one-night stands, and Martin grew especially close to one woman. The "relationship, rather than his marriage, increasingly became the emotional centerpiece of King's life, but it did not eliminate the incidental couplings that were a commonplace of King's travels." "Bearing the Cross", by David Garrow "Martin and I were away more often than we were at home; and while this was no excuse for extramarital relations, it was a reason. Some men are better able to bear such deprivations than others, though all of us in SCLC headquarters had our weak moments. We all understood and believed in the biblical prohibition against sex outside of marriage. It was just that he had a particularly difficult time with that temptation. "And the Walls Came Tumbling Down", by Ralph Abernathy This is certainly enough to call into question the whole concept of desegregation. Q.E.D.
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