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**lierro** · 03-12-2009, 05:52 PM

The preaching and morality is tedious.

For plenty of people in the world, your life-style is ridiculously wasteful too.

Are you trying to split hairs?

You are saying that spending $250K on a vehicle that does nothing more than entertain you (serves no real purpose) can be compared to a 15 year old Mazda I have had as my one and only car since College and my commute to work?

You really are barking up the wrong elephant there Fab....

Do you really need that much space? That much food? That much heating and airconditioning ? That much of everything? Yes, yes, yes and yes.

I get mad at wasted leftovers, I turn the heat down in the house to below what most people find comfortable, and if there is no AC, I cannot sleep, work efficiently when I come in, and earn money/design buildings that others want designed.

Woof woof?

There has always been a Rolls. Never said there wasn't. There were also regal horse and carriage, it does not mean that something that has been around for a while validates its very existance because of its age.

And the domesticated Jeep has been around since the 1960's. Marketed to houswives: "Jeep" ... a WWII Army vehicle, marketed to housewives? They tried to market it to the weak segment. Guys wanted jeeps, women were the ones that probably kept the guys from buying them.

How many women do you know that hook up the boat to the trailer to go fishing as implied in that "fun" ad you showed there?

And they crapped up the Jeep with their 4 cylinder and other design changes. It is not the rugged little vehicle that could get you to where you wanted to go even after its floorboards rusted through (yes, a friend had a jeep with holes in the floor.... Fine, unless it rained....)

You don't seem to get my point at all about the Hummer. It was a great opportunity to do with Hummer as as other were to do with Jeep. I think I know what you are saying, but the Hummer was one step further. It was ENORMOUS. And taking a vehicle and divorcing it so completely from its original intent makes it difficult to continmue to support or validate.

The Jeep I knew was the knockabout. It was the one that was relatively small, inexpensive to buy and upkeep. It was the used vehicle of choice to many who wanted more than an old datsun or pinto.

Marketing and redesign cheapened the vehicle and made it less durable, and they changed who they were aiming it at. It turned the same way the artist colony turns into cheap Yuppie Condos. V6-$ cylinder, colors like Turquoise come out, and commercials show bubbleheads on their way to the beach.

You saying that doing the same for Hummer would have saved it, but Jeep is dying. One of the main reasons I hear now is just because they suck. No matter how much "fun" you paint it with, a car can only keep a reputation for so long.....

But whatever. It does not matter. I don't think I will change your opinion on this, and when I think about it... it really does not matter...... :I

03-12-2009, 05:52 PM	#4
lierro Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 469 Senior Member	The preaching and morality is tedious. For plenty of people in the world, your life-style is ridiculously wasteful too. Are you trying to split hairs? You are saying that spending $250K on a vehicle that does nothing more than entertain you (serves no real purpose) can be compared to a 15 year old Mazda I have had as my one and only car since College and my commute to work? You really are barking up the wrong elephant there Fab.... Do you really need that much space? That much food? That much heating and airconditioning ? That much of everything? Yes, yes, yes and yes. I get mad at wasted leftovers, I turn the heat down in the house to below what most people find comfortable, and if there is no AC, I cannot sleep, work efficiently when I come in, and earn money/design buildings that others want designed. Woof woof? There has always been a Rolls. Never said there wasn't. There were also regal horse and carriage, it does not mean that something that has been around for a while validates its very existance because of its age. And the domesticated Jeep has been around since the 1960's. Marketed to houswives: "Jeep" ... a WWII Army vehicle, marketed to housewives? They tried to market it to the weak segment. Guys wanted jeeps, women were the ones that probably kept the guys from buying them. How many women do you know that hook up the boat to the trailer to go fishing as implied in that "fun" ad you showed there? And they crapped up the Jeep with their 4 cylinder and other design changes. It is not the rugged little vehicle that could get you to where you wanted to go even after its floorboards rusted through (yes, a friend had a jeep with holes in the floor.... Fine, unless it rained....) You don't seem to get my point at all about the Hummer. It was a great opportunity to do with Hummer as as other were to do with Jeep. I think I know what you are saying, but the Hummer was one step further. It was ENORMOUS. And taking a vehicle and divorcing it so completely from its original intent makes it difficult to continmue to support or validate. The Jeep I knew was the knockabout. It was the one that was relatively small, inexpensive to buy and upkeep. It was the used vehicle of choice to many who wanted more than an old datsun or pinto. Marketing and redesign cheapened the vehicle and made it less durable, and they changed who they were aiming it at. It turned the same way the artist colony turns into cheap Yuppie Condos. V6-$ cylinder, colors like Turquoise come out, and commercials show bubbleheads on their way to the beach. You saying that doing the same for Hummer would have saved it, but Jeep is dying. One of the main reasons I hear now is just because they suck. No matter how much "fun" you paint it with, a car can only keep a reputation for so long..... But whatever. It does not matter. I don't think I will change your opinion on this, and when I think about it... it really does not matter...... :I
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