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**fabrizioitwloch** · 09-24-2007, 03:16 PM

London is not a violent city, did you actually read my posts regarding crime figures, as for foreigners (given 2/5th's of Londons population is foreign born) - 40% of Londons population is Foreign Born, so I should imagine one fifth of crime is committed by foreigners - there are up to a million polish now living here alone.

http://www.london.gov.uk/londoner/07...um=email-mar07

As for Manhattan, it's NY's Central Area and like the centre of London it is watched continously by cameras and police - Central London is extremely safe.

Btw I wasn't aware Manhattan was a city, it's a 22 Square Mile (Population 1.5 million) tiny island, which people here seem determined to compare to the 609 Square Miles than make up Greater London. Manhattan is a heavily guarded financial and entertainment compex and like centraL London is relatively safe with CCTV cameras and lots of police, however what about the other 6.5 million people who make up NY and the other 300 odd square miles of the city.

Out of London's 33 Boroughs, if you put together just four boroughs - Westminster, Chelsea and Kensington, Hammersmith and Fulham, plus add the Citys Square Mile (Financial District) and you have an area equal to Manhattan Island. These four boroughs had 10 murders last year, and had extremely low figures for violent crimes - even Manhattan doesn't have figures that low.

London has a lower murder rate than NY, less gun crime (there were 50 gun murders in Great Britain Last year), serious crime has fallen, and recorded crime figures are compiled differently.

*NY has a system of Felony and Midemenour - any robbery/property crime under $500 (£250) is a misdermeanor, however all property crimes are listed in London from mobile phones, ipods to petty thefts.

*NY does not count simple assaults, it only counts aggrevated assaults - assaults that result in serious injury or involve a weapon - London doesn't just count simple assaults, it counts
common assault (no injury), harrasement (no injury), Verbal Assault (no injury), of the violent crimes recorded in the UK, half involve no injury to anyone, whilst the other 50% are mainly simple assaults (black eyes, cuts, bruises etc)

*The definition of many crimes is far broader in the UK, and police targets and recording methods have inflated crime rates.

* The BCS (regarded as the most reliable crime figures by criminologists) has shown a massive decrease in violent crime rates in England and Wales, and this is backed up by hospital casualty figures provided by the NHS and published by the Violence Research Group every two
years.

09-24-2007, 03:16 PM	#13
fabrizioitwloch Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 540 Senior Member	London is not a violent city, did you actually read my posts regarding crime figures, as for foreigners (given 2/5th's of Londons population is foreign born) - 40% of Londons population is Foreign Born, so I should imagine one fifth of crime is committed by foreigners - there are up to a million polish now living here alone. http://www.london.gov.uk/londoner/07...um=email-mar07 As for Manhattan, it's NY's Central Area and like the centre of London it is watched continously by cameras and police - Central London is extremely safe. Btw I wasn't aware Manhattan was a city, it's a 22 Square Mile (Population 1.5 million) tiny island, which people here seem determined to compare to the 609 Square Miles than make up Greater London. Manhattan is a heavily guarded financial and entertainment compex and like centraL London is relatively safe with CCTV cameras and lots of police, however what about the other 6.5 million people who make up NY and the other 300 odd square miles of the city. Out of London's 33 Boroughs, if you put together just four boroughs - Westminster, Chelsea and Kensington, Hammersmith and Fulham, plus add the Citys Square Mile (Financial District) and you have an area equal to Manhattan Island. These four boroughs had 10 murders last year, and had extremely low figures for violent crimes - even Manhattan doesn't have figures that low. London has a lower murder rate than NY, less gun crime (there were 50 gun murders in Great Britain Last year), serious crime has fallen, and recorded crime figures are compiled differently. NY has a system of Felony and Midemenour - any robbery/property crime under $500 (£250) is a misdermeanor, however all property crimes are listed in London from mobile phones, ipods to petty thefts. NY does not count simple assaults, it only counts aggrevated assaults - assaults that result in serious injury or involve a weapon - London doesn't just count simple assaults, it counts common assault (no injury), harrasement (no injury), Verbal Assault (no injury), of the violent crimes recorded in the UK, half involve no injury to anyone, whilst the other 50% are mainly simple assaults (black eyes, cuts, bruises etc) The definition of many crimes is far broader in the UK, and police targets and recording methods have inflated crime rates. The BCS (regarded as the most reliable crime figures by criminologists) has shown a massive decrease in violent crime rates in England and Wales, and this is backed up by hospital casualty figures provided by the NHS and published by the Violence Research Group every two years.
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