[WaydayTew]

John, I do agree that this is a splitting of the two, but the thing is, it does not address the fact that, at least in our areas, the states that have the most people ARE the states with the highest property value AND are the ones that are currently being taxed the most.

I think it would have little impact on us now in regards to taxation/representation, but it may have a much bigger impact down the road.

Ninjahedge,

Sorry for not getting to you sooner. The information and documentation I provided regarding the Founder’s original tax plan was meant to give some of the reasons behind the Founder’s plan

As to H.R. 25, it really is amazing many of those who support H.R. 25, and especially “conservatives” and “Republicans” who support the idea, when confronted with legitimate concerns about the proposal run and hide or avoid acknowledging there are some very serious flaws in H.R. 25___ flaws which make the alleged FairTax proposal as bad as existing taxation or in some cases, even worse!

Those who support H.R. 25 are knowingly or unknowingly working to perpetuate the necessary means allowing Congress to continue in its reckless spending a borrowing practices, and would also provide the means to help keep America's Congress infested with socialists.


For example, H.R. 25 would create the largest entitlement program in the history of America under its family consumption allowance___ an entitlement which is estimated would cost $ 600 BILLION a year, and the cost of this entitlement to the American Taxpayers would make the projected cost of Hilary Health Care look like chicken feed.

The family consumption allowance under H.R. 25 also entitles those who do not work for a living nor contribute into the common treasury to receive the allowance! Drug dealers and drug addicts are entitled to the allowance; burglars, armed robbers and car thieves are also entitled to the allowance; prostitutes and bookies and, even your local un-wed welfare moms who stay at home, do not contribute into the common treasury but makes babies to increase their current monthly welfare check, are entitled to the allowance. As a matter of fact the above would be getting an approximate $400 per month bonus under H.R. 25 for either breaking the law or sitting at home making babies. And conservative Republicans support this plan?

H.R. 25 happens to be a socialist windfall to the slugs and leaches in our society, and, would be a gift to Senator Ted Socialist Kennedy and his disciples in Congress who would gladly promise to increase the family consumption allowance during elections to buy votes and remain in power!

In addition, one of the featured attractions of H.R. 25 is that it will cut the billions and billions of dollars and the man hours now wasted, in the collection and administration of the tax. This turns out to be another fraud being perpetrated upon the people. Why? Well, for example, carpenters, plumbers, electricians, and other tradesmen who are now self employed will pay the 23 % tax on the supplies they purchase at retail. These poor souls will also have to register with the federal government to engage in their occupations and also keep burdensome records and reports as Congress may so desire, creating a new army of enlisted tax gathers for the feds. The path which leads to such oppression is found in the language of H.R. 25 which the unsuspecting may have missed and reads:

SEC. 407. JURISDICTION.

`(a) STATE JURISDICTION- A sales tax administering authority shall have jurisdiction over any gross payments made which have a destination (as determined in accordance with section 405) within the State of said sales tax administering authority. This grant of jurisdiction is not exclusive of any other jurisdiction that such sales tax administering authority may have.

(b) FEDERAL JURISDICTION- The grant of jurisdiction in subsection (a) shall not be in derogation of Federal jurisdiction over the same matter. The Federal Government shall have the right to exercise preemptive jurisdiction over matters relating to the taxes imposed by this subtitle.

I should also point out Representative John Linder, says:

I am the primary sponsor of the FairTax, legislation that will repeal all corporate and individual income taxes, payroll taxes, self-employment taxes, capital gains taxes, estate taxes and gift taxes - and replace it with a revenue-neutral personal consumption tax.


After reading the language of H.R. 25 it becomes quite obvious, the above statement is weasel wording at its best! The truth is, there is no attempt to repeal or prevent Congress from laying and collecting an excise tax as upheld in FLINT v. STONE TRACY CO., 220 U.S. 107 (1911), a case decided prior to the adoption of the 16th Amendment. And why is this case important? Because the tax upheld in the FLINT CASE is not an income tax, but an excise tax, and the amount of tax to be paid is calculated from “income’’ and does not rely upon the IRS CODE or income taxation which H.R. 25 mentions. But in substance and truth it is an income tax…acts, smells and looks like an income tax and therefore must be an income tax.

Under the language of H.R. 25, the tax mentioned in the FLINT CASE remains untouched and is a loophole cleverly left which allows Congress, in keeping within the language of H.R. 25, to impose an excise tax upon Corporations, certain privileged occupations, individuals and events, and then calculate the amount of tax to be paid from profits and/or gains (income)!

So, in spite of all the talk about repealing various sections of the IRS Code and closing it down as portrayed on the cover of the Fair Tax Book, the same type of misery now suffered under income taxation, the Internal Revenue Service and the IRS Code, appears to remain very much alive under H.R. 25 by a subtle loophole left by the architects of the proposal!

If H.R.25 is adopted and Congress followed it to the letter with the loophole the architects have left, Congress is invited to simply erase the word “Internal” from “Internal Revenue Code” and replace that word with “Corporate“, as in “Corporate Revenue Code,” and, likewise erase the word “Internal” from “Internal Revenue Service” and replace it with “Corporate“, as in “Corporate Revenue Service“, and go about its business inflicting the same time consuming and costly misery upon Corporations and individuals as now done, but in addition, these corporations will also have to abide by and follow an additional rule book, the newly created H.R. 25 rule book, with all its new regulations for record keeping as will be created under H.R. 25!

H.R. 25, in all honesty, doesn’t “eliminate” squat as Neal Boortz portrays on the cover of his book. And it especially does not even make an attempt to stop Congress from calculating a tax from corporate income.

H.R. 25 has carefully left the above mentioned loophole so Congress, especially a future socialist dominated Congress, even if the 16th Amendment is repealed as promised, to enact, say a small tax upon those wealthy evil corporations and scoundrels who make millions of dollars a year and bleed the poor working people, such as was alleged about Leona Helmsley who they sent to jail for an alleged tax fraud, but who actually contributed into the common treasury more in taxes than any twenty average working people in New York.

Why on earth do “conservative” Republicans support H.R. 25? My answer is, because H.R. 25 is nothing more than a bread and circus game intentionally designed to confuse the people and keep the tools of oppression in the hands of Congress.

The only tax reform we need is for the people to demand their employees add the following words to our Constitution, bringing us back to our Founding Father’s original tax plan:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

See how easy real tax reform is? It doesn’t take 135 pages of bullstuff and gobblygoo, [H.R.25] which would leave us on a sinking ship and entrench our nation with more socialism…it only takes 32 words for the people of America to re-establish a fair system of taxation, our Founder’s original plan, which would also gain control of a runaway Congress!

CLICK HERE for the Founder’s Plan___ scroll down to:
American Constitutional Research Service Before the
Committee on Ways and Means
United States House of Representatives
June 1995

To study what thinking Americans are promoting CLICK HERE

Regards,
JWK

“He has erected a multitude of new offices and sent hither swarms of officers, to harass our people, and eat out their substance” ___Declaration of Independence