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**GlictStiply** · 04-01-2008, 01:56 PM

This is what I don't get: Why won't China just leave Tibet alone? I mean, just let Tibet be in peace.

...in a word: "OIL".

Chinese researchers have discovered massive new gas and oil deposits totaling an estimated 4 billion to 5.4 billion tons in Tibet. The frightened, freedom hating gangsters who constitute the Chinese government have no ideaological reasons for opressing Tibet, for them it is simply money. For those at lower levels, the beaureaucrats, the police, the comisars, the thugs it is different, they believe in what they are doing or at the very least,like what they do; as always oppression depends on such ordinary people.

I watched a harrowing documentary on TV last night about a tibetan exile who went back into Tibet undercover to record documentary evidence of what the Chinese government say are fabrications. I think you may be able to watch it on your PC at this link ( Undercover in Tibet ) at: www.channel4.com/4od/index.html

For those who can't see it here are some of what he found; The man with the hidden camera was Tash Despa, who left Tibet 11 years ago in the traditional way: he trekked for a month across the Himalayas, passing many frozen corpses as he went. Since then, needless to say, thousands more of his countrymen have made the same trek – prompting the obvious question of why they’re so desperate to escape.

Once Tash re-entered Tibet, the answers soon started to become clear. On the way in, his car passed a Chinese army convoy three miles long. (According to the programme, the country now contains one Chinese soldier for every 20 Tibetans.) And, despite his nervousness – at one point he confessed he’d just been vomiting with fear – Tash turned out to be an assiduous collector of evidence.

Thousands of Tibetan nomads, for example, have been resettled in what the Chinese claim is a programme of social development. Yet, when Tash navigated his way to the middle of nowhere to visit one of the new “villages”, he accurately described it as seeming like a prison camp, with no school, clinic or transport links.

He also met several people who’d suffered more personal forms of oppression. One victim of torture broke down as he explained why “being electrocuted in water is much worse than when you are dry”. (When you’re dry, the electric prod only hurts where it touches. When you’re wet, it sends pain shooting through the whole body.) A woman literally had the scars to prove that, contrary to official Chinese law, the one-child policy now applies to Tibetans – and is imposed through forced sterilisation. If she’d had the money, she told us, she could have bought a false sterilisation certificate. As it was, she couldn’t even afford a drip to treat the “agonising pain” from an operation carried out without proper anaesthetic.

I think it is disgusting that the Olympics are being held there this year but it goes to show the hypocracy of western governments and the contempt they have for freedom. The olympic torch is due in London next week. It was due to go through Heathrow's new T5 terminal but it will now go through the segregated VIP terminal, partly because British Airways would lose it but in reality its because the widespread protests would embarass the British Government in the face of the Chinese. In Greece last week when the flame was lit Greek policemen participated with Chinese secret police IN GREECE in beating up Tibetan freedom protestors. Previously in London, British police violently put down peaceful protesters during a Chinese state visit and protest was heavily kept away from the Chinese.

On the BBC breakfast news two bland presenters "interviewed" the Chinese emassador in London about the violence against Tibetans after the riots there last week. The ambassador smiled benignly and dismissed all knowledge of such events. Pressed softly she acknowledged something may have happend but the embassy was not in a position to investigate such claims. The interview concluded with smiles all around as she presented the two "journalists" with two stuffed toys, the mascots of the Olympics which they accepted with sacarine delight only TV breakfast presenters seem to exhibit. It says is all about why they wanted the Olympics. It made me nauseous.

When you see Chinese President Hu Jintao smiling and being glad handed by our "leaders" at the Olympics, remember it was this man who presided over the sytematic torture and oppression of Tibetans.

"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear".

04-01-2008, 01:56 PM	#32
GlictStiply Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	This is what I don't get: Why won't China just leave Tibet alone? I mean, just let Tibet be in peace. ...in a word: "OIL". Chinese researchers have discovered massive new gas and oil deposits totaling an estimated 4 billion to 5.4 billion tons in Tibet. The frightened, freedom hating gangsters who constitute the Chinese government have no ideaological reasons for opressing Tibet, for them it is simply money. For those at lower levels, the beaureaucrats, the police, the comisars, the thugs it is different, they believe in what they are doing or at the very least,like what they do; as always oppression depends on such ordinary people. I watched a harrowing documentary on TV last night about a tibetan exile who went back into Tibet undercover to record documentary evidence of what the Chinese government say are fabrications. I think you may be able to watch it on your PC at this link ( Undercover in Tibet ) at: www.channel4.com/4od/index.html For those who can't see it here are some of what he found; The man with the hidden camera was Tash Despa, who left Tibet 11 years ago in the traditional way: he trekked for a month across the Himalayas, passing many frozen corpses as he went. Since then, needless to say, thousands more of his countrymen have made the same trek – prompting the obvious question of why they’re so desperate to escape. Once Tash re-entered Tibet, the answers soon started to become clear. On the way in, his car passed a Chinese army convoy three miles long. (According to the programme, the country now contains one Chinese soldier for every 20 Tibetans.) And, despite his nervousness – at one point he confessed he’d just been vomiting with fear – Tash turned out to be an assiduous collector of evidence. Thousands of Tibetan nomads, for example, have been resettled in what the Chinese claim is a programme of social development. Yet, when Tash navigated his way to the middle of nowhere to visit one of the new “villages”, he accurately described it as seeming like a prison camp, with no school, clinic or transport links. He also met several people who’d suffered more personal forms of oppression. One victim of torture broke down as he explained why “being electrocuted in water is much worse than when you are dry”. (When you’re dry, the electric prod only hurts where it touches. When you’re wet, it sends pain shooting through the whole body.) A woman literally had the scars to prove that, contrary to official Chinese law, the one-child policy now applies to Tibetans – and is imposed through forced sterilisation. If she’d had the money, she told us, she could have bought a false sterilisation certificate. As it was, she couldn’t even afford a drip to treat the “agonising pain” from an operation carried out without proper anaesthetic. I think it is disgusting that the Olympics are being held there this year but it goes to show the hypocracy of western governments and the contempt they have for freedom. The olympic torch is due in London next week. It was due to go through Heathrow's new T5 terminal but it will now go through the segregated VIP terminal, partly because British Airways would lose it but in reality its because the widespread protests would embarass the British Government in the face of the Chinese. In Greece last week when the flame was lit Greek policemen participated with Chinese secret police IN GREECE in beating up Tibetan freedom protestors. Previously in London, British police violently put down peaceful protesters during a Chinese state visit and protest was heavily kept away from the Chinese. On the BBC breakfast news two bland presenters "interviewed" the Chinese emassador in London about the violence against Tibetans after the riots there last week. The ambassador smiled benignly and dismissed all knowledge of such events. Pressed softly she acknowledged something may have happend but the embassy was not in a position to investigate such claims. The interview concluded with smiles all around as she presented the two "journalists" with two stuffed toys, the mascots of the Olympics which they accepted with sacarine delight only TV breakfast presenters seem to exhibit. It says is all about why they wanted the Olympics. It made me nauseous. When you see Chinese President Hu Jintao smiling and being glad handed by our "leaders" at the Olympics, remember it was this man who presided over the sytematic torture and oppression of Tibetans. "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear".
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