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**Argurnenoni** · 12-10-2011, 04:48 PM

Sounds like a solid idea to me. I don't know that much about the academies other than the AF & Navy are cosidered good ot great engineering schools (no insult to Army, just not sure what their focus is on).

Promote jointness, produce officers who will grow up knowing each other even if they are in other "branches". And like someone above mentioned, they could choose their respective branch in the third year in order to "specialize" in a field.

As to those trying to pit E's vs O's based on education, I was an E with a Masters (decided to stay an E). Said it before and I'll say it again, if you want O pay and responsiblity, then get the degree and apply for the commission because no matter what we think, feel or believe, there are three words that describe what even the lowliest O has responsibility for over even the most senior E...say it with me "Burden of Command." A brand new O on G-series orders can Art 15 an most (not all) E's...an E-9 can make your life miserable but cannot do that.

I came in with a bachelor's, have stayed enlisted and am getting my master's. The Army paid my loans and now I'm using TA. I know by the time I retire I'll have more experience and knowledge than the 2LTs who come in but such is life. You couldn't pay me any amount of money to be an officer. I will never join the dark side - I've had multiple officers try to get me to go. My old CO - always tries to get me to when talking to me and said "Your wasting your talents" as an enlisted person. I think that might possibly be the first thing that ever offended me.

12-10-2011, 04:48 PM	#16
Argurnenoni Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 344 Senior Member	Sounds like a solid idea to me. I don't know that much about the academies other than the AF & Navy are cosidered good ot great engineering schools (no insult to Army, just not sure what their focus is on). Promote jointness, produce officers who will grow up knowing each other even if they are in other "branches". And like someone above mentioned, they could choose their respective branch in the third year in order to "specialize" in a field. As to those trying to pit E's vs O's based on education, I was an E with a Masters (decided to stay an E). Said it before and I'll say it again, if you want O pay and responsiblity, then get the degree and apply for the commission because no matter what we think, feel or believe, there are three words that describe what even the lowliest O has responsibility for over even the most senior E...say it with me "Burden of Command." A brand new O on G-series orders can Art 15 an most (not all) E's...an E-9 can make your life miserable but cannot do that. I came in with a bachelor's, have stayed enlisted and am getting my master's. The Army paid my loans and now I'm using TA. I know by the time I retire I'll have more experience and knowledge than the 2LTs who come in but such is life. You couldn't pay me any amount of money to be an officer. I will never join the dark side - I've had multiple officers try to get me to go. My old CO - always tries to get me to when talking to me and said "Your wasting your talents" as an enlisted person. I think that might possibly be the first thing that ever offended me.
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