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I think the objective was toppling Saddam and we did. Then we had to clean up the mess we made in the country which is what has taken so long. The war in Iraq was grossly mismanaged. They never should have gotten rid of everyone in the government and the military. They should have kept a few people and besides, Saddam's army didn't even like him so they would've helped but we just helped create some disgruntled individuals who helped fuel the insurgency.

I think we've done what we need to do and it's time to go. We made an agreement with the Iraq government to be gone by 1 Jan 2012. If the Iraqis haven't asked us by now, they won't. If they did happen to wait until the last minute, that would be incredibly stupid because from what I understand the troops who are still there are in the process of withdrawal - taking inventories, shipping things back. We aren't doing combat missions there just training and advising. Let the State Dept go in and take over the training and let's get the military out. If the Iraqis don't have their shit together by now they aren't going to. We can't stay there forever. I mean look at the US - look how long it took us after we declared independence before we even had our Constitution. Building or re-building a country takes time - especially in Iraq where the infrastructure was let go for like 30 years.